@Raffaele

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Actually whole question IS MONEY as PPC is not a dead architecture, but market discriminated it as it was dead. The development of desktop machines is stopped and not economically profitable, and mainly millions bovine users got buying this enormous lieball "PPC is bad"

That's all late 80's Kool-Aid twaddle.

There was no vast conspiracy to discredit PPC - development was abandoned because it was no longer worth pursuing.

I'm sure there were quite a few Mac users wearing tinfoil hats when Apple made the switch but they're happily using hardware with Intel processors and the platform is continuing to evolve.

PPC is no longer an option.

@klx300r

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I know we've been through this many times & I'm just as dumbfounded as ever when this talk of x86 & cheap available hardware comes up every time s if it's the miracle cure for our community All amigans could have supported AROS from the start if this was truly the case & we'd be all in Amiga utopia with ONE OS rather than 4 camps like now

That argument makes no sense.

You're discrediting a CPU because an open source attempt to reverse-engineer another OS didn't succeed?

None of this comes down to anyone advocating which CPU is better. It's confronting the reality that PPC is no longer a viable option, the user base is dwindling and the company responsible for the officially-sanctioned OS is dormant.

Hyperion had the opportunity to future-proof the OS years ago and they chose not to. They knew the writing was on the wall for PPC and chose to do nothing.

No one is claiming that transitioning to x86 would have or would solve the world's problems. But decoupling the OS from the hardware was workable and would have provided options.

@ne_one

There is and will be plenty of use for PPC.

Only way to get Amiga OS to x64 viable way is drop everything we have, build a custom Linux distro to look like Amiga OS, build a seemingly invisible ppc and 68k emulators inside of it. Apple did it that way.

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@Thread

Do we really need to have this discussion every week? What hasn't been told to death already?

To summarize: Yes, we should have done [insert action of choice] from the start/ASAP but this is what we got so let's learn to live with it.

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about ppc and apple.
that time , te time of switch people sow ghz as the real power of the cpu.
when ppc was on desktop computing dual core and dual thread, x86 was only on single core.
the only difference was ghz .... people was thinking a dual core g4 1.45 ghz was slower compared a pentium 4 2ghz... but it was only marketing .
jobs switch only because ibm cant proviede in fastest way a 3.0 ghz g5 it was the 2005 and some months after ibm relase the xbox 360 cpus. 6 thread in 3 cores at 3.5 ghz ..
i continue say powerpc is good for desktop computing wath is missing are the many things that was made in years for x86... css jit, webgl2, webplugins, asm optimized drivers, and many many things for users desktop experience like is silverlight, flash, unity 3d (present in past on ppc).
this things make" only" the difference .... in computing there are no difference.

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@utri007

As I wrote, OS4 is on x64 right now!

@tlosm

Well, PowerPC laptop CPUs weren´t certainly competitive to Pentium M.

@Yasu

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Do we really need to have this discussion every week? What hasn't been told to death already? To summarize: Yes, we should have done [insert action of choice] from the start/ASAP but this is what we got so let's learn to live with it.

best. post. ever.



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@pavlor

Showconfig is telling a different story :)
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@pavlor

lastest laptop was the g4 1.67 ghz good machine and yes pentium 4 mobile best one was the dual 3ghz i have one acer like this really expensive laptop equiped with a 9000 pro igp...
but at the time 2005 the standard middle hand was celeron 1600 mhz (i had one) with radeon 9600 if i remember good and belive me cant be equparable with a powerbook g4 .... that x86 was not able to run decent doom3 ... on powerbook you can play great

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@tlosm

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pentium 4 mobile

Pentium M IS NOT Pentium 4 based!!!!! 2 GHz Pentium M is even faster than 3 GHz Pentium 4. Performance/W of Pentium M is clearly better than G4.

@Yasu

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Do we really need to have this discussion every week?

Yes. I guess, some people have so thick heads that nothing goes through the skull no matter how many times and how hard you try. Or they simply will get orgasm/satisfaction every time they're teasing you.

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@pavlor

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Pentium M IS NOT Pentium 4 based

Wasn't Pentium M based on Pentium 3 or 2 ? Or was it called just Pentium and Pentium M is based on Core ?

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@Tomppeli

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Wasn't Pentium M based on Pentium 3 or 2 ?

Close. Pentium Pro/II/III/M/Core (not Core2) is the same basic core technology.

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@ne_one

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ne_one wrote: @Raffaele That's all late 80's Kool-Aid twaddle. There was no vast conspiracy to discredit PPC

Not an organized conspiracy but I can remember Apple hiding various benchmark results to let it pass concept "PPC is bad, Intel is better" along with vaste mass of Apple evangelists and journalists who spreaded this idea on dozillions media.

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@ne_one

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ne_one wrote: @klx300r Hyperion had the opportunity to -proof the OS years ago and they chose not to. They knew the writing was on the wall for PPC and chose to do nothing. No one is claiming that transitioning to x86 would have or would solve the world's problems. But decoupling the OS from the hardware was workable and would have provided options.

If you d well, there were people from Hyperion who said Amiga on IntelX86 had been just one of the dozens existing minor Operating Systems and not even being of some interest for the common intel average Joe User as AmigaOS lacked of modern features like Protected Memory, blah, blah, and so on, and that it should pass a certain period to develop these features and test it deeply on PPC platform and acquire a modern and robust Operating System, and then evaluate the choice to switch to intel.

We are still waiting for these modern features.

And sincerely even if AmigaOS4 nowadays has a full 32Bit RAM address space, allowing us to use almost all of 4Gibabyte visible to 32bit systems, the solution they found, using a method that I disagree and that remember the one used in C64 expansions with swapping slots of 64 kilobytes. Sincerely it is a solution unworthy of any modern computer past '90s.

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@Raffaele

the best thing that could ever happen to amiga NG is for hyperion to go bankrupt and someone acquires the sources to develop. They have killed the platform along with partners with the terribly stupid waste of time and resources launching overpriced hw and having to write alien drivers and new kernels all the time. its amazing they keep doing it.. first eyetech.. then the sams.. then a1.. blah blah blah

@pavlor

but pentiumM was relased much time before last macbook g4 1.67

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@Raffaele

im sure one thing 10 years are passed since amigaos 4 was released and 15 for os3.9 ... can i say the lastest os are only big patch of 3.1?.... no, the guys made a good job in years, and years was need because there are not many devs in the scene.
in any way i dont see much difference from os4,aros and mos .... and aros is on x86

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