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Kronos 
Re: Xena/Xorro software?
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 15:52:49
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@Tomppeli

Just a few thoughts:

PCs are programmed in DotNet cos it's easy and allmost crash safe.
If they wanted to use the tools available under AOS (gcc and a prayer) then they can do that also under Windows.
Same goes for USB/serial, which btw don't have to be polled and would serve a far better point to connect the XMOS chip than directly on a mobo.

rPI or Adruino devices can and have been used to emulate pieces of classic HW, yet noone claims them to be anything like an FPGA.

As for "Asians" being scared of Windows, even if thats true, you'll have to pass an endless line of Linux and even BSD ditros before they would come to OS4 only to find out it's all that "scary" bout Window and then some.

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Re: Xena/Xorro software?
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 16:18:47
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@BSzili

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BSzili wrote:
Whatever the Xmos processor can or can't do, I'd be damned if I risked damaging a 2000 EUR motherboard just so I can do hobby electronics.

Look, the bottom line is this: the Xmos XS1 didn't prove to be useful to the community. A-Eon could have just said it didn't catch on, and give up on it. Instead they doubled down, and put it on their next motherboard too. Why not just omit it to save costs? They could sell it on a separate card to those who are interested.


Not you. Me.

As far as being useful, if they had produced a useful proto board instead of the useless board they did then at least myself, and probably a few others, would have been tinkering for a few years now.

It,s like somebody selling you a toy automobile with no wheels and saying "Now go and have FUN."

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Re: Xena/Xorro software?
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 19:58:32
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@Signal

I have sent you a PM regarding this topic, and will be starting a new thread for anyone who wishes to discuss what the best design would be for a Xena/Xorro board should be.

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Re: Xena/Xorro software?
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 0:52:53
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@Signal

It's hard to see as the photos on amigakits site are very snall but there doesn't seem to much if any logic on the board, so why not design you own? There are companies that will make very short boards for you not too expensively.

Also it looks to me that you could hang breadboard blocks of the side of it to patch tgther simple projects in s changeable way?

I really have very little urge to tinker with hardware these days, and few ideas to try out, but in ancient times when I did, I'm not sure this board would stop me doing anything. (though risks of damahe to the main board might!)

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Re: Xena/Xorro software?
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 10:46:20
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@PR

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Now that we are in there, is this Altivec Speeding things up in the XE or nearly as useful.


There would be a thing to stick an A500/1200 card in these towers for the compability as many of us have a load of old stuff. In all the AmigaOne Range.

The best thing before AmigaOnes were that You can expand the A1200 to it to be an expansion "card"




Using it as a coprocessor for the Main CPU is difficult because it can't directly access the resources (memory, gfx, ...) of the A1X1K and only has 64k words of RAM.

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Re: Xena/Xorro software?
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 10:56:08
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BSzili wrote:

Look, the bottom line is this: the Xmos XS1 didn't prove to be useful to the community. A-Eon could have just said it didn't catch on, and give up on it.


Development of the interfaces for the Xmos chips and the room needed for it and the Xorro connections cost money. I believe this low cost chip added 100Euros to the price of every A1X1K.

The ACube boards have a I2C bus, but I never saw someone using it, not even as an input device for digital joysticks.

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PR 
Re: Xena/Xorro software?
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 11:04:00
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@OneTimer1

Nice to know.

Thank You.

Out Ruled from the equation that was One thing at the times.

It is really the main to install like 060+PIV+a lot more in a tower.

Amazing A1200 to expand. Just wanted to know that it does not work "other way" then as You are the specialist.


Still have some new A1200:s...

For all. Peacefull easter eggs.

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Re: Xena/Xorro software?
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@michalsc

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michalsc wrote:
@Raffaele

Quote:


Amiga developers lost their spirit for hobby experimenting.



Hobby experimenting can be done much cheaper (especially in case of unpredicted mistake/failure where you physically kill your hardware) with e.g. Arduino, RaspberryPi or any other credit card sized computer or microcontroller.



If ther's a risk of killing the expensive A1 X1k/5k motherboard it seems logical to me to develop a "protection/fuse XORRO board" with e.g. onboard opto-isolator first, that you plug in the A1 X1k/5k onboard XORRO slot and connect everything else to that...

Where's the problem with that?
Lack of power of imagination?

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Re: Xena/Xorro software?
Posted on 17-May-2017 9:31:46
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@Signal

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Signal wrote:
@eliyahu

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eliyahu wrote:
@Signal

forgive me if you've answered this elsewhere, but what is wrong with the xorro project board currently available?

-- eliyahu



I have answered many times in several threads and have not even got a 'go to hell' responce.

Since you ask, the available board is generally refered to as a strip board. All the holes are connected vertically. To put a multi pin chip on there would require cutting a few to many of the connecting traces. To make matters worse the traces are under a coating.

There is a picture in THIS thread on page one.

Short memory?



And this is what I replied to your moaning about the board in the other thread:

Quote:

Dandy wrote:

@Signal

Quote:

Signal wrote:

Been waiting since March 2012 for a usable xorro slot prototyping board. Yeah, PATIENT!



Well, back in 1987 my friends and I used NewIO on the A500 to route PCBs from schematics and made the boards ourselves (printing the NewIO-layout on transparent film, photographic processing of the layout onto a photo-coated board, exposing, developing, fixing, cauterising and drilling), when there were no ready products available
...

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Re: Xena/Xorro software?
Posted on 17-May-2017 9:42:31
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@BoingBear

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@wawa

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I see it more as badly implemented, and not fully supported by the manufacturer, more than a terrible idea from the very beginning. The first and biggest mistake A-Eon made was not asking how much work it was going to take to port the X-Mos tool chain to AmigaOS4, or finding a developer who would commit to porting those tools, before they agreed to add the X-Mos chip to the motherboard.



Yeah - this could turn out to be the actual obstacle.

Quote:

BoingBear wrote:

I am surprised that there hasn't been more outcry from the X1000 (and now X5000) owners, to get the X-Mos tools ported to AmigaOS4. Without the X-Mos tools, it is much more difficult (and probably impossible for the average tinkerer), to make anything that uses the X-Mos/Xena chip and Xorro slot.



I agree entirely.

Quote:

BoingBear wrote:

I think it is a bit surprising that A-Eon has never even mentioned trying to port the X-Mos tools, since they are so active in many other porting projects. Seems to me that they would want to support their own hardware as a top priority, specially when they continue to add Xena/Xorro to the X5000.



Yeah, this is really amazing.
Currently there's an interesting, active thread about Xena/XORRO over at Amigans.net, where things like this can be addressed and discussed:
The Xena Research Project Part 1

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