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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 13-Apr-2017 19:25:06
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I think it's a bit early for them to be discussing that. They need to recoup NRE costs for Cyrus+ and Tabor before they can make a serious commitment to further PPC products.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 13-Apr-2017 19:59:00
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You're right.

I'm just asking because even i've seen only PPC chip for servers lately.
I'm a ppc fanboy, but i really can't find a company that have new desktop PPC chips in development.
I had a talk with IBM support (the chat starts automatically if you visit the power section)

The person on the othewr side of the chat told me that powerpc is IAM alliance and that the powerpc are produced for wii u, ps3 and xbox 360.




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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 13-Apr-2017 20:39:23
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so you have been told at ibm, what we knew all along. whats that answer you have hoped for? you wish, there is some hidden agenda to save ppc platform hidden away from general public and you can gather this knowledge asking around in an internet forum? happily, its even better than that, if you can word the question and think of it hard for a while, you could usually answer it yourself.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 13-Apr-2017 20:49:24
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Reality isn't a big thing in NG amiga community.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 13-Apr-2017 21:30:52
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I'm just asking because even i've seen only PPC chip for servers lately.


If the source of PPC chips for desktop dries up then Hyperion would be forced to port AmigaOS to ARM or x64 in the meantime they'll make do with PPC chips. It has worked up to this point other than Apple buying PA Semi. No worries really for us the consumer. It's not really our problem to figure out to be honest leave it to A-EON, Hyperion and AmigaKit it's their livelihoods that depend on it.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 6:28:57
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smp if 32 bit dont break nothing ... 64bit can be but with a sandbox or simple use of qemu structure with kvm dont break nothing in 64 bit too... linux docet.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 6:49:25
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The person on the othewr side of the chat told me that powerpc is IAM alliance and that the powerpc are produced for wii u, ps3 and xbox 360.



Sounds like a bot that hasn't been updated in a while.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 13:11:02
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Lol, i thought the same. You know, Watson is around in the IBM labs...

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 19:15:06
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BigD wrote:
It's not really our problem to figure out to be honest leave it to A-EON, Hyperion and AmigaKit it's their livelihoods that depend on it.


Actually, that statement is incorrect, and the real answer is part of the problem. Neither Hyperion Entertainment nor A-Eon depend on development and sales of AmigaOS4.x and PPC hardware for their "livelihoods". AmigaKit is another matter, as Matthew DOES depend on sales of Amiga hardware and software as his only source of income (AFAIK).

To my knowledge, I don't think that Hyperion Entertainment or A-Eon has made any profits above what they have invested into producing AmigaOS4, or AmigaOne hardware (the X1000, and development work on the A1222 & X5000). So far, I think they both are still "in the RED", and have spent more money paying programmers and hardware designers & board manufacturers (edit: and lawyers), than has been recouped from sales. I could be wrong about Hyperion Entertainment, but I am sure about A-Eon, not making any profits yet. I wish the owners/managers of Hyperion Entertainment were dependent on sales of AmigaOS4.x, so they would be more committed to making it a success, and would work harder at completing future versions of the OS, but our market is too small to allow the needed investment for more developers to be hired, so we are forced to wait and give thanks to the few developers who work on OS4 for free in their spare time, while little, or zero development on OS4 is funded by Hyperion, which is why progress is so painfully slow. Glaciers are moving faster these days than progress on OS4.

Hopefully that situation will change some day, as I don't think that the "Well" is bottom-less, and if there is no chance of a profit being made in the future, one or both companies might give up, and stop supporting the Amiga community with their works.

Since neither of these companies depend on sales for their daily monetary needs, there is less importance for them to be a financial success, and allows them to be run more like a hobby, than a real business. As I wrote already, AmigaKit is different, but AmigaOS4.x and AmigaOne hardware are only one part of their sales, and probably not even the biggest contributor to their sales numbers each month, so AmigaKit might be able to survive, even if AmigaOS4 and A-Eon hardware cease to be available for sales in the future.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 17-Apr-2017 7:21:39
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It is simple.

After many years of lies and false promises gunnar von boehn and his followers, 68k is as slow as it was 20 years ago.

After 20 years of development aros x86 still has not compatible and working open source mui clone.

20 years from now we (if still alive) will be still using something many times faster than 68k and something many times more compatible than x86 - Amiga NG.

Of course in the future ppc may be replaced by another big-endian cpu.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 17-Apr-2017 7:49:08
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Look, I'm a PPC advocate, but not even I am going to suggest that the future holds some kind of "magic processor" that won't be X64 based, will be big endian, and compatible with Amiga.
You are just one weird mofo, you know?

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 17-Apr-2017 7:58:32
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Shock horror, you once again do nothing but show your ignorance and bad mouth the work of others.

.........

edit: just 'cos I think it doesn't mean I should say it. :)

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wawa 
Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 17-Apr-2017 11:53:06
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seems, he is apollo and aros advertisement bot.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 17-Apr-2017 17:19:51
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Maybe a Russian disinformation hacker (nah, I bet they are more clever than this).

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wawa 
Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 17-Apr-2017 17:51:32
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have yet to knowingly encounter a bot designed to appear really clever.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 17-Apr-2017 19:46:09
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Of course in the future ppc may be replaced by another big-endian cpu.


In the future...? It's certifiably dead as far as this context is concerned and has been for a decade.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 17-Apr-2017 20:14:40
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I'm just asking because even i've seen only PPC chip for servers lately. I'm a ppc fanboy, but i really can't find a company that have new desktop PPC chips in development.


What does one need to change about these server chips in order to make a desktop chip? ie. What is wrong in their design, and how to fix it?

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 17-Apr-2017 21:34:13
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It's certifiably dead as far as this context is concerned...


With Power 8 & 9 being little endian, and PowerPC no longer being developed, that is a fair statement.

Currently we have the P5020 powered X5000, with the hope of the P5040 powered four core variant eventually being produced, and since Tabor isn't using the T10XX cpus, that pretty much wraps up the e5500 core.
There is an independent project developing an e6500 core T2080 based laptop (which would have eight cores and sixteen threads), that may get produced (funding for the schematics for that, I believe, is due to start at the end of the month).
And whether or not A-eon will use other e5500 and e6500 variants in the future is an unknown.

Power8 as a potential desktop contender seems to have died with Raptor Engineering's failure to secure financing for their Power8 board.
And to answer the question about server related chips, like the X64 Xeon family, Power server chips tend to be more complex and expensive than cpus intended for desktop use.
With apologies to AMD (related to the many cored Ryzen series), having more than eight threads on a desktop cpu doesn't really serve a useful purpose.

SO, even though I'm taking part in the T2080 laptop program, I have my doubts about eight core, sixteen thread cpus (as they simply don't seem necessary).

And Power8 starts with eight core cpus and moves up from there.

Again, to restate MY intention for the near future, I'm buying a P5040 based X5000 when (if?) it comes out.
That will run MorphOS, OS4, and Linux (some that if either of the first two never support SMP, the last will still be able to use all four cores).
And others will be buying the P5020 based X5000, or Tabor based systems.

After that? Its anybodies guess what will happen.
But, MorphOS is slated to move to X64 and AROS is already there.

How long can OS4 remain where it is, if its a dead ISA?

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 17-Apr-2017 21:58:09
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@iggy

Chinese Powercore seems to develop powerpc, but i can't find any link to hose cpu.

With the advent of Power9 companies will be able to create their own version of ppc core in as happen with arm cores.

Hope that someone try to create a desktop version of power9.

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Re: PPC 5020, 5040... OS4.1, 4.2 ... and after?
Posted on 17-Apr-2017 22:07:10
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@iggy

i was interested in this, especially when they talked about the bill of materials

https://www.zurich.ibm.com/microserver/

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