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Re: OS4 FINAL RELEASE!!? Posted on 13-Dec-2005 23:07:27
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EntilZha wrote: @number6
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You really need to run spellchecker on your AW avatar. |
Gah, now that you mention it... :) |
Hi EntilZha,
That poster boy MUST HAVE obviously imbibed a few, before applying the caption!!!!!
Coder while sober, please!
Hi Everyone Else,
Making the foundation SW that everything else works on has GOT to be the HARDEST SW to make.*
They've done a monumental task here against insurmountable obstacles, and people like MS should be embarrassed right back to kindergarten programming level!!!!!!
That's all I have to say. (Maybe.)
(micro)AmigaOne! AOS4.0! Making the impossible possible!
* If not, it's in the top 5. Maybe an assembler compiler is harder, I don't know. |
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Re: OS4 FINAL RELEASE!!? Posted on 13-Dec-2005 23:22:56
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hotrod wrote: @Chris_Y
Is it stable? Oh yeah, very stable here. Do I get corrupt files? No never. Is it fast? Well, I guess it's fast on a LAN but on the net it's slow as hell!
That's the problem. Linux Debian on my A1 G4 XE transfers files as fast as it should but the current driver doesn't or does get anywhere close! They *got* to solve this. I'd like to know that it works here and everywhere before the final. |
Hi hotrod,
So, it works, but is slow. Good, I was wondering what exactly was the nature of the problem.
On pre-release 1, if I use AWeb it's very slow, however, if I use IBrowse FIRST, THEN I use AWeb, it usually is 2 to 4 times faster (that's a guesstimate), BUT it IS faster. I don't understand that at all.
Whether I start dnetc rc5 or not, doesn't affect the speed of the browsers, just dnetc slows down, it's very, very cool. I don't have the Altivec working, G4 @ 800 MHz, and get ~3,050,000 keys a second, and my windrossxp(ire) does, with no programs working, 3.15 to 3.25 million keys a second!!!! (P4, not celeron, 2.26 GHz, 400 MHz FSB, 1 GB ram!)
I have a 5 Mbit connection, what's the fastest that anyone's gotten going? |
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Re: OS4 FINAL RELEASE!!? Posted on 14-Dec-2005 0:44:51
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Totally agree with DoodooHead. But remember Microsoft Longhorn is out next year, as is the Playstation 3, Revolution and probably a new Apple Mac. Amiga is a very small fish in an ocean of big name marketing and machines that combine software and hardware. I think Eyetech are an amazing and innovative company and if they were able to make an Amiga computer in conjunction with Hyperion with hardware/software released at the same time, it would stand a chance. As it stands there is no marketing and no machine in the pipeline, except from some unknown Trokia?! Eyetech's A1 designs work, so if finance is a problem, why don't Amiga Inc buy the designs so that production can start again? Finally, the original Amiga dream came about when a couple of dentists invested in the fledgling computer industry. Where is this investment today? Unless investors with money have faith in this platform, this is going nowhere. We have the A1 designs and a mostly finished OS. Lets cut the red tape and run with it! Last edited by BigD on 14-Dec-2005 at 12:51 AM.
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Re: OS4 FINAL RELEASE!!? Posted on 14-Dec-2005 0:58:24
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Nice words for post #1.
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Re: OS4 FINAL RELEASE!!? Posted on 14-Dec-2005 3:46:44
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Exactly. And they're waiting patiently for Petunia, a CDDB-able CD player, fuller Warp3D drivers, etc. |
PlayCD has the ability to use CDDB since PlayCD 50.3 (31.12.2002)
For me all I have to do is add 'USECDDB' to the icon info for playCD for me to have album name and track info displayed.
Never had to enter any other options
also a nice note to remember in workbench when you insert a CD
Supported qualifiers (press when inserting the CD):
- : Disables data track on mixed audio+data CDs, mounts ISO 9660 instead of HFS/HFS+ on hybrid CDs. - : Disables audio tracks on mixed audio+data CDs.
for more PlayCD options here is an excerpt from the readme remember these can also be added to the icon info for playcd not just from shell Starting the program -------------------- When the program is launched, it will attempt to configure itself. This involves figuring out which device driver and which device unit to use for audio playback. This information is usually stored in the program's icon, but it can also provided on the command line. The names of the command line options and the tool types are the same. The following options are supported:
DOSDEV
If there already is a filing system mounted on the CD-ROM drive to use for audio playback, the easiest way to tell PlayCD which device it should use is to provide that filing system's name. PlayCD will try to figure out which device and unit that filing system is bound to and use the resulting information.
Example: PlayCD CD0: PlayCD dosdev CD2:
Note that this type of configuration may not work with all CD-ROM filing systems.
DEVICE
Use this option to provide the name of the device driver the CD-ROM drive to use for playback responds to.
Example: PlayCD device=scsi.device
Default for this option is "scsi.device".
UNIT
This option works in conjunction with the "DEVICE" parameter. Both the device name and the unit number specified define the interface the PlayCD program should use to address the CD-ROM drive.
Example: PlayCD unit=5
Default for this option is "2".
SKIP
The PlayCD user interface sports a slider which controls and displays the current play index. Attached to this slider are two buttons which perform "fast forward" and "rewind" functionality. Pressign any of these two buttons will cause playback to skip a few seconds. The "SKIP" option is for configuring the number of seconds to skip.
Example: PlayCD skip=2
Default for this option is "1", i.e. clicking on the buttons will skip one second each.
PEEKTIME
PlayCD queries the CD-ROM drive in regular intervals to find out whether the CD was changed or how far playback has progressed. The length of these intervals is configured with the "PEEKTIME" option. The peek time is specified in microseconds, i.e. one millionth part of a second.
Example: PlayCD peektime=500000
Default for this option is "200000", i.e. one fifth of a second.
PUBSCREEN
PlayCD can be made to open its display on a named public screen. If the named screen does not exist, it will fall back to opening its display on the default public screen, such as the Workbench screen.
Example: PlayCD pubscreen=my.public.screen
There is no default for this option. Default behaviour for PlayCD is to open its display on the default public screen which in most cases will be the Workbench screen.
BUFMEMTYPE
PlayCD depends upon the controller hardware the CD-ROM drive is attached to to deliver its commands properly. This may sometimes require that the command data structures are passed in a particular type of memory which the controller hardware has easy access to. In most cases you will not need to change this option, but if the CD-ROM drive is correctly configured, does support the SCSI-2 command set and still does not react to PlayCD's commands, then it might be necessary to specify a different buffer memory type.
Example: PlayCD bufmemtype=2 PlayCD bufmemtype=512
Default for this option is "0", which specifies no particular type of memory to use for interacting with the controller hardware.
USECDDB
PlayCD can query the CDDB Internet database for each disc that is inserted into the player. This option is disabled by default. If you want to use it, make sure that you have an Amiga TCP/IP stack installed which is compatible with the AmiTCP V4 API. The TCP/IP stack must be properly configured, up and running, and there must be a connection to the Internet. If there is no information for a disc in the local data cache, PlayCD will query the CDDB Internet database and store the data it finds in a local cache for later reference.
Example: PlayCD usecddb
URL
Which Internet resource should be accessed to obtain CDDB data for the currently present disc. By default, this is
http://freedb.org:80/~cddb/cddb.cgi
The "http://" header is optional and will be ignored if found. The port number, as given above, is optional, too and will be assumed to be 80 if is missing.
Example: PlayCD url=http://freedb.org:80/~cddb/cddb.cgi
PROXY
If a proxy server is your only connection to the Internet, you need to provide its name and port number here. For example, it could look this this:
http://your.proxy:8080
Note that the port number must be given; there is no common standard for http proxy servers which denotes the port number to use by default.
If you do not provide the URL to use for the proxy server, then a direct connection to the Internet is assumed.
Example: PlayCD proxy=http://your.proxy:8080
USER
The CDDB protocol requires that you specify a user name and a host name, even for inquiries. This must be given in the following form:
user@host
Example: PlayCD user=foo@bar.com
CACHEDIR
Disc information obtained from the CDDB database will be stored in local files in order to speed up accesses. Unless you specify a certain directory to use for storing the cached database entries in, "PROGDIR:CDDB-Cache" will be used. Careful, if the given directory does not yet exist it will be created for you.
Example: PlayCD cachedir=S:CDDB
The user interface ------------------ If properly configured, PlayCD will open a window which contains the following controls (left to right):
Track display
Here you will find information about the current audio track and the playback status. The first line displays the track information, the second line indicates how much time has passed with regard to length of the current track and the entire CD.
Track position (below the track display)
This slider displays the current track position. It can also be used to change the current track position.
Keyboard equivalent: [Shift]+[Cursor left] and [Shift]+[Cursor right] keys
Track selection
This is a set of 32 buttons, each one corresponding to one of the tracks of the audio CD. Click a button to make the corresponding audio track the "current track". If playback is currently in progress, playback will proceed with the selected track.
Keyboard equivalent: Any number entered, e.g. entering the two digits "1" and "2" in quick succession will pick track "12".
Volume
This is a vertical slider whose current setting corresponds to the sound playback volume. At the top position, playback volume is loudest.
Keyboard equivalent: + and - keys
Eject (below the Track position slider)
Press this button to eject/load the CD in the drive. For technical reasons, you may need to press this button more than once to load a CD.
Keyboard equivalent: [F1] and [Backspace] keys
Stop
Press this button to stop playback.
Keyboard equivalent: [F2] and [Cursor up] keys.
Pause
Press this button to suspend/resume playback.
Keyboard equivalent: [F3] and [Space] keys
Previous track
Press this button to skip back to the beginning of the previous track.
Keyboard equivalent: [F4] and [Cursor left] keys
Play
Press this button to begin playback.
Keyboard equivalent: [F5] and [Cursor down] keys
Next track
Press this button to skip forward to the beginning of the next track.
Keyboard equivalent: [F6] and [Cursor right] keys
Shuffle
Press this button to set up a play list which contains all CD titles in random order. Playback will step through this list, playing each title once. To return to the regular play list which plays each title in the order the tracks were recorded in, press the "Stop" button.
Keyboard equivalent: [F7] key
Playback mode
This button selects a playback mode; it can be one of the following:
Continue
This is the default playback mode. If you pick a track to play, it will be played along with all tracks to follow it until the last track on the CD is played. Clicking one of the track buttons in the track selection table will make the respective track the "current track".
Program
In this mode every track number entered or clicked on will cause a new entry to be added to the play list. To play back the list, click the "Play" button.
Track
In this mode playback will be restricted to the currently selected track. This means, for example, that if a track has been played to the end, playback will stop instead of proceeding to the next track.
Keyboard equivalent: [F8] key
Repeat
This switch controls whether playback will stop when the end of the play list has been reached or whether playback will restart with the first list entry.
Keyboard equivalent: [F9] key
Message list (below the Eject button)
This is where helpful progress reports and error messages are displayed. For example, if you picked a track by entering its number, you will see a notice confirming your input.
Stopping the program -------------------- Once the PlayCD program is running, you can stop it by clicking on the window close gadget or by one of the keyboard equivalents [Esc] or [Ctrl]+\.
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Re: PlayCD Posted on 14-Dec-2005 4:53:32
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| @kgrach Any thoughts as to why PlayCD always returns the following error message when it attempts to find a CD Playlist in CDDB:
Could not process HTTP header (object is not of required type)??
I have all of the settings that you mentioned in the ToolTypes, but this is what PlayCD always returns. This is why I wrote DiskDataBasePPC (available from OS4Depoet.net BTW).
My internet connection is being done via RoadShow & obviously works, since I'm typing this from my AmigaOne PowerPC. :?
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Re: PlayCD Posted on 14-Dec-2005 4:59:14
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Any thoughts as to why PlayCD always returns the following error message when it attempts to find a CD Playlist in CDDB:
Could not process HTTP header (object is not of required type)??
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don't really know as I said all I use is 'USECDDB' no other switches used and it works.
what is your intenet setup and what switches are you using in playcd
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Re: OS4 FINAL RELEASE!!? Posted on 14-Dec-2005 5:23:34
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Last time I checked, Hyperion wasn't a hardware company. |
Yea, but if you guys were it would ROCK! Not to say that Eytech did all that bad for a pre-producton board.
Would you like Santa to bring you a soldering iron and a book about computer electronics for Christmas?
Oh well, I guess if we can believe in flying reindeer and a fat man that comes down your chimney then we can believe just about anything!Last edited by nzv58l on 14-Dec-2005 at 08:28 PM.
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Re: PlayCD Posted on 14-Dec-2005 7:35:59
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This has been up in another thread where it was confirmed by Olsen that the version which is currently out for prerelease owners contains a bug. Which makes CDDB not possible and gives the error message stychokiller mentioned.
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Re: OS4 FINAL RELEASE!!? Posted on 14-Dec-2005 8:57:00
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| @Rogue You said that a public statement about hardware situation and possible/existing cooperation agreements with hardware manufacturers "would not make any difference."
I disagree that it won't make a difference.
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As I said, Hyperion does not make announcements for other companies... such cooperations are normally made public in a joint press release. |
In that ACK thread, Adam said that he has been "co-operation with Hyperion for quite some time" and "will be handling the OS4 port as Hyperion is busy enough with other aspects of OS4."
Why couldn't you say something similar? Ok, no need for an announcement if there is no hardware (Elbox? Troika?) and no new agreements.
Btw, is Troika also in the OS4 team (unlike Elbox)? Last edited by polka. on 14-Dec-2005 at 08:57 AM.
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Re: PlayCD Posted on 14-Dec-2005 23:39:21
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ACK I hope the other info is useful to people.
sorry again for the wrong and longish off topic post fellas
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Re: PlayCD Posted on 14-Dec-2005 23:48:24
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I read about the new memory system in OS4. It's just excellent news Now i'm pretty much curious |
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Re: PlayCD Posted on 15-Dec-2005 0:13:36
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I hope the other info is useful to people. sorry again for the wrong and longish off topic post fellas |
I am grateful to have the information Kurt. Thanks for posting it. It does bring a question to mind concerning tooltypes in general though. It is easy to understand when a tooltype (for any program) is commented out (). But when there IS a tooltype for a program but it is NOT listed in the icon, is zero or "NOT" the default that is used? In other words, does a non listed tooltype = commented out/nil in every case? (Obviously I refer to tooltypes which are only true/false in nature)
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Re: PlayCD Posted on 15-Dec-2005 6:40:21
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That's why we have SnoopDOS
If you put everything off you'll see what the program tries to start.
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Re: PlayCD Posted on 15-Dec-2005 7:13:39
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Yup it doesn't work on prerelease, thanks anyway.
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Re: PlayCD Posted on 15-Dec-2005 11:10:11
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what is your intenet setup and what switches are you using in playcd
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Using Roadshow in OS4 through a Netgear router set-up with NAT/firewall (seems to be working fine)
Tooltypes as below:
DOSDEV=CD1 (DEVICE=scsi.device) (UNIT=2) (SKIP=???) (PEEKTIME=333333) (PUBSCREEN=) (BUFMEMTYPE=1) USECDDB URL=http://freedb.freedb.org/~cddb/cddb.cgi (PROXY=) USER=mark@somehting.net CACHEDIR=Data:cddb
I've also fiddled with the username so the host part appears as the hostname my ISP assigns.
Also the version of PlayCD appears to be 50.5 (31/12/2002) as given int he icon information.
[edit] oops that'll teach me not to read the complete thread [/edit]
Regards
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Re: OS4 FINAL RELEASE!!? Posted on 15-Dec-2005 11:39:28
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Heh...It seems that I must to reply to myself...heh A whole bunch of answers but still there is no concrete one.. The mighty guys from Hyperion did a few answers but not on my question. Any chances for at least a small, thin answer from Hyperion... a spark in the dark.. ;)
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Re: OS4 FINAL RELEASE!!? Posted on 15-Dec-2005 13:32:31
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Same applies to me (see post #130). Sometimes they spend more time on answering to trolls, being easily offended... Selective perception? Maybe...
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Re: OS4 FINAL RELEASE!!? Posted on 15-Dec-2005 15:06:07
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All I wont is direct answers on direct questions sent to them (Hyperion) months ago! Some of them are maybe outdated, some of them are answerd, but most of them is still valid ... Why people ask that questions anyway ? As I can see they have time now... Is it so hard...?
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Re: OS4 FINAL RELEASE!!? Posted on 15-Dec-2005 15:26:27
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| @Comi Even "no answer" is an answer sometimes...
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