@NutsAboutAmiga

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If some one wins the lottery or maybe we can use some of the Amizila cash? To get AmigaOS4 on more hardware?

I think I already mentioned that there is more to this than "just" the money. As it stands someone wanted to pay for it already, but the problem lies elsewhere. I thought I've mad that clear.

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@Rogue

Well, rest assured I'll be buying 1-2 copies right off as long as OS4.0 will run on my A4000D PPC system. As soon as I know for a fact what hardware I need to buy, I'll be grabbing it up as soon as someone will sell it to me!

Again, I appreciate all you guys at Hyperion are doing and I look forward to my modern Amiga!

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Theres no any news from anybody about hardware and this are empty storyes!
Hobby hardware producers, hobby Amiga sites, and empty stories thats it ...
If someone have something to show then he will show that and that is it.

Hyperion did great job and show their product, comunicate with people on every site and answer direct on question about OS4 ...

Eyetech, Elbox,ACK,Troika have to update their sites and show something if they have!

Amiga news sites have to try to comunicate with harware producers and ask for interviews! If they get no for answer then they inform as about that, and thats all.

Look this 100 post and nothing for conclusion ?!!?! Lets start new one !

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@Rogue

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Beg your pardon, but a petition for what? Divine intervention?

Some divine intervention would not hurt atm I recon

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@thread

i think hardware will come.
i'll wait what else can i do?
os4 is looking better and better any new day, and i look forward the new memory system.

at least i already have an amigaone. that's great.

and i wanted to say i like to see unicode is slowly coming to amiga,
that's even better :)

like to see aminet and os4depot growing at good pace, like in the good old days :)

thanks to all involved for os4 and all the projects around it ..
and i plan to buy 1 or 2 copies of os4, despite the fact i could have free version because i have the aone.. as soon as it get out, i buy games, quake2, freespace, shogo, heretic2, and 1 or 2 copies of os4.

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@tomazkid

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Some divine intervention would not hurt atm I recon

nah, The chat is like the Amy HW is dead. Troika is far from death, thank you very much and you shouldn't underestimate us!

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@Troika

show us you ain't dead, man :)
show us pictures from prototypes :)
lol, i'm just trying to take advantage of the situation ;)

@Freaks

Sorry but to me pictures mean nothing, I have seen pictures of the Dragon and SharkPPC both by Elbox,
But no hardware so normaly a picture means a Thousand Words but when it comes to Amiga hardware I will only believe it when I see it
comes to mind.

@Antoniox

Well like you said we've seen pictures of the Elbox Dragon, and since then we've read a thousand words on it.

@Troika

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Troika is far from death, thank you very much and you shouldn't underestimate us!

I won't.

I never meant that Troika was dead neither.

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@Troika

Please, prove it then!

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@Rob

I was not chat about Elbox but in Amiga hardware in genural, all talk but nothing to show for it, all vaporware Till i see it myself

@Rogue

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Rogue wrote: @Framiga Quote: Rogue, in terms of amount of money, could it be possible/affordable by a sort of "consortium" made by some trusted Amiga resellers? or we are speaking about a lot of money? As I said before, the approximate cost for a new port is around 20k Euro.

Does that include 'all fees,' ie if licensing fees of some sort are required by AInc as well? Would there be ongoing 'per board' costs as well, or is that entirely between Hyperion and AInc?

Sorry, I don't recall that number being thrown out previously, but may well have missed it...

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga you need 1000 sales get price point of 20 Euro per OS4 copy, 500 sales you need a price of 40 Euro per OS4 copy.

Euros are pretty close to USD right now, 20,000 Euro = ~24,000USD.

There's still some 'per copy' fee Hyperion has to pay to AInc AFAIK, but...I don't think costs of $100USD are entirely out of line for OS4, at least perhaps to get some income going for Hyperion.

edit I did NOT see Rogues post stating the following before I posted this response, so take my comments in context accordingly..
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I think I already mentioned that there is more to this than "just" the money. As it stands someone wanted to pay for it already, but the problem lies elsewhere. I thought I've mad that clear.

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HJF said on one of the OS4 MLs at one point it's also a possibility to not charge a porting fee, but they would have to be very confident they would recoup their money (which is entirely understandable). I have no idea if that's changed or not- obviously, in the case of ACK, that porting work is being taken care of by Adam (yeah, assuming it exists), and no one knows for Troika....but it would certainly make more sense for Hyperion to go with what cost them the least, as in 'guaranteed to be covered' (costs).

At $100USD per copy of OS4, I _think_ there's an 'Ainc fee,' let's say it's 15%, or even 20%, leaving $80USD. That would require 300 sales of OS4 to hit break-even, IF Hyperion were willing to do the port 'out of pocket' in the first place.

I suspect we still don't know all of the 'fine print,' as a bit of marketing could certainly bring in that number of sales to PPC Mac owners, so there are still other things at work here, whatever they might be (AInc blessing? Who knows? ).

*shrug* totally random thoughts for the most part. The fact that Troika hasn't delivered hardware to Hyperion yet isn't great, but perhaps there's some other system, such as the 'high end system' The Friedens referred to in the IRC session.

Personally, I'm not sure Hyperion could count on 300 sales to break-even to existing Peg owners, but I'd say they could in the event Pegs are RoSH compliant and say were to be sold by another company for OS4, although obviously Hyperion would likely prefer to see the 'no cost to them,' either in fees up front or in the third party handling the port to the new hardware...

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@Rogue

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Rogue wrote: @AmigaBlitter Quote: We need a serious company. Huh? Do you think Hyperion is doing this because we haven't got anything better to do?

I think that comment was aimed for Amiga INC and not at Hyperion.

I also agree with him, as it seems like it is mainly the nazi licensing scheme that is preventing OS4 to have any new hardware to run on.

@Rogue

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Rogue wrote: @Framiga Quote: Rogue, in terms of amount of money, could it be possible/affordable by a sort of "consortium" made by some trusted Amiga resellers? or we are speaking about a lot of money? As I said before, the approximate cost for a new port is around 20k Euro.

I sadly dont see the possibility of anyone wanting to pay that, considering the current size of the Amiga community. It will be damn hard to get enough sales for both the port costs and the coverage of the production of the board.

So my guess is that we are out of luck then, unless some rich amigan decided to donate all that cash.

@NutsAboutAmiga

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If some one wins the lottery or maybe we can use some of the Amizila cash? To get AmigaOS4 on more hardware?

It would be very wrong to do that, unless you contacted every person who donated and asked for their permission to do just that. They donate money for a browser port and not a OS.

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I think I already mentioned that there is more to this than "just" the money. As it stands someone wanted to pay for it already, but the problem lies elsewhere. I thought I've mad that clear.

And i guess the problem is AmigaINCs refusal to give out licenses to hardware manufactors?? Or am i totally wrong here?

@Antoniox

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Antoniox wrote: @Rob I was not chat about Elbox but in Amiga hardware in genural, all talk but nothing to show for it, all vaporware Till i see it myself

True.. But i have still much more faith in Elbox, since they have already made quite a few bits of amiga hardware in the past. Troika and ACK is nothing but words now, as they have yet to make/show us any hardware.

@Tomas

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They donate money for a browser port and not a OS.

There is a difference though, Amizilla and KHTML are non-commercial, OS4 is not.
I've donated to Amizilla, I don't wan't to donate that money to port OS4.
What comes to OS4, I contributed by buying an A1.

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