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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 28-Dec-2006 6:00:29
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| @Jeremy_Reamer
hey, are you going to do a kick ass OS4 final review sometime? that a1/os4 article you did years ago was really good.
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 28-Dec-2006 10:35:58
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> Full truetype support (Im using the freetype 2 project so more or less everything that they support)
You shouldnt use FreeType2 in software for Amiga, you should use the existing AmigaOS font APIs, diskfont.library and the bullet.library API. When you do that, your application does not only support truetype fonts, but also PostScript, PFR, BDF, PCF, FON/FNT and CompuGraphic fonts and all future font formats for which somebody will write a font engine library.
E.g. its thinkable that a future version of ft2.library supports CID-keyed PostScript type 1 fonts, then every existing program which uses the AmigaOS font APIs can also use them but applications which did the mistake to use a Unix API and static linkage will not support the new fonts.
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 28-Dec-2006 10:49:27
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| @Jahc It is simply not polished enough to be published. It "should" only be a month to the first public beta. I have some problems which can delay the process
@Jeremy_Reimer That should not be a big problem to implement.
@TetiSoft That is a good suggestion, but it would sacrifice portability and would require a total rewrite of the code. So I hope that there are enough truetype fonts around to satisfy demand
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 29-Dec-2006 0:49:06
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| @Desler Quote:
@TetiSoft (re using the AmigaOS font API) That is a good suggestion, but it would sacrifice portability and would require a total rewrite of the code. So I hope that there are enough truetype fonts around to satisfy demand |
Thanks for letting us know about that choice. One less future application to keep my eyes out for. But all the best of luck on your path, it's just not where I want my apps to go.
Best regards,
Niels
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 29-Dec-2006 2:42:31
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| @Desler
I always thought that GoldED had a really simplistic but visually appealing GUI layout...
http://www.developers.2go.cc/images/screenshot4.png
I wonder if Dietmar Eilert would mind if his app could be an inspiration to a word processor app?? _________________
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 28-Jan-2007 22:34:05
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 28-Jan-2007 23:12:14
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 28-Jan-2007 23:53:15
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Good stuff _________________ SAM 460 with 2GB or RAM, 1000GB HD, 4 port SATA, DVDRW drive and Radeon HD 4650 GFX card. |
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 29-Jan-2007 2:08:46
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 29-Jan-2007 3:50:26
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| @Desler
Looking good. I'd like to volunteer as a beta tester. If you need any.
Hans
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 29-Jan-2007 9:09:44
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 29-Jan-2007 11:32:09
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Firstly, Microsoft will never open the binary blobs which makes direct support almost impossible. |
That's utter rubbish. AFAICT they've documented and opened the entire format this time around.
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This is a quote from, http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections
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Undisclosed proprietary specifications
Section 6.2.3.17 "Embedded Object Alternate Image Requests Types" (page 5679) requires implementors to support the proprietary Windows Metafiles. Cloning the behaviour of proprietary applications
Several sections require the implementor to clone the behaviour of a proprietary product, where the behaviour to clone is not specified. For example:
Section 2.15.3.6 page 2161, autoSpaceLikeWord95. Section 2.15.3.26 page 2199, footnoteLayoutLikeWW8. Section 2.15.3.31 page 2209, lineWrapLikeWord6. Section 2.15.3.32 page 2210, mwSmallCaps. Section 2.15.3.41 page 2225, shapeLayoutLikeWW8. Section 2.15.3.51 page 2245, suppressTopSpacingWP. Section 2.15.3.53 page 2250, truncateFontHeightsLikeWP6. Section 2.15.3.54 page 2252, uiCompat97To2003. Section 2.15.3.63 page 2264, useWord2002TableStyleRules. Section 2.15.3.64 page 2265, useWord97LineBreakRules. Section 2.15.3.65 page 2266, wpJustification. Section 2.15.3.66 page 2268, wpSpaceWidth.
More can be found by searching Ecma 376 for the word "Guidance".
Specifications that say "clone this product," instead of explicitly stating what behavior is required, have no place in an international standard. It may also be illegal in some jurisdictions to determine what such a non-specification means, as discussed below regarding end-user license agreements (EULAs). |
There is more on the insertion of other (binary) proprietary formats.
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Read literally, the intellectual property ("IP") documents accompanying Ecma 376 grant no rights for vendors other than Microsoft Corp. to implement the specification. Even ignoring that problem, the IP documents are at best ambiguous as to the extent of rights granted and convey no rights for any other version of the proposed standard such as an improved version reflecting JTC-1 criticism. A single vendor in effect retains veto rights over any changes to the specification. Such defects render Ecma 376 unsuitable as an international standard candidate.
The bottom line is that the relevant intellectual property documents present legal quicksand of a depth that could only be determined through litigation. They are an unsuitable legal foundation for an international standard. |
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Much to the open software community's distress, Microsoft have contracted to work with Novell on ODF import filters for Word. |
Again, rubbish. The open software community's issues with Novell/Microsoft are entirely unrelated.
The import/export filters are Open Source (BSD-like License - http://odf-converter.sourceforge.net/ ) and written by Clever Age, Dialogika and Aztecsoft, funded and managed by Microsoft. It won't be bundled with Office - not ideal, I know, but that's is a largely political decision. They probably will if ODF really takes off. Source: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/07/06/microsoft-office-to-support-odf-the-qa/
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Quote from the Microsoft press release about the Microsoft/Novell agreement.
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* Document Format Compatibility. Microsoft and Novell have been focusing on ways to improve interoperability between office productivity applications. The two companies will now work together on ways for OpenOffice and Microsoft Office users to best share documents and both will take steps to make translators available to improve interoperability between Open XML and OpenDocument Formats. |
I'm sure what you say is perfectly true, but I am concerned by both what Microsoft say about the Novell/Microsoft agreement and what experts say about the implementability of the ECMA standard on both technical and legal grounds.
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 30-Jan-2007 16:14:03
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The screenshot you linked to seems to have disappeared off your server. I just linked to you post over in this thread too because someone was complaining about lack of apps. Just wanted to let people know that some things were coming fairly soon.
Hans
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 30-Jan-2007 16:27:44
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Sorry. Had forgotten all about that. I had renamed the file when I updated my homepage. Maybe this or this can be of any help |
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 30-Jan-2007 16:30:23
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Re: Cinnamon - The writer for amiga Posted on 22-Feb-2007 19:25:05
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| @Desler Hey, i've found a rather wierd bug.. where do i report this?
i have already sent you a PM on this site _________________
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