@elwood

Excellent news!

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@elwood

Great news! Thanks ACube.

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@RedMelons

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Quote: OS 3.x ports also FFS, why? We don't see Mac forums with people pleading for OS7, OS8 or OS9 ports of OS X software.

1. Mac users can buy Macs with OSX. Amiga users that do not already have an AmigaOne are limited to classic stuff or emulations, which stick them with OS3.x.

2. For people like me who want an Amiga laptop, we can emulate with uae or amithlon. OS4 is not portable (in the I want to take my computer to the coffee shop sense)

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They support developers with development machines (with OS4??). AFAIK there are no more A1s around ...

It's easy to imagine what this could mean ....

@Naz

I was thinking that too! Machines & OS4 are being supplied to developers with ACube involved. Could it be that something SMART is going on?

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@debrun

Or maybe it's just a cross compiler.

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@debrun

... or it is sth like a virtual environment?? I don't know what svn is, sombody can help me out here?

@Naz
Look here:
http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=development/utility/subversion.lha

@RedMelons

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RedMelons wrote: @Fransexy Quote: OS 3.x ports also FFS, why? We don't see Mac forums with people pleading for OS7, OS8 or OS9 ports of OS X software. On the whole, AmigaOS software is years behind OS X, Windows and Linux software - it's never going to catch up if it's always dragging the weight of OS 3 behind it.

Simple: OS4 is going to be tied up in the court system for months, and after that there's no guarantee that whoever loses won't decide to go "burnt earth" and screw things up for the winner (Amiga Inc could deny the use of software patents like datatypes, Hyperion could decide to keep ExecNG). By keeping things 3.x compatible, we guarantee the survival of the amiga. If and when OS4 materializes in a usable form, it will be 3.x compatible too, so it will be able to use that software. Most of OS4's advantages are internal anyway, so it's not like it's going to be at a disadvantage.

@Naz
@Boot_WB

Yeah, you're probably right. Would have been a smart move to dish out OS4 machines to developers but... in any event, I hope something comes out of it!

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From what I understand from the court documents, no-one but
Amiga Inc is allowed to distribute AmigaOS 4.0, which makes
any AmigaOS 4.0 distribution from ACube illegal.

They can do whatever they want with the hardware and cross-
compilers, but from the second they call it 'Amiga' or market
it with 'Amiga' references, they are screwed.

@ironfist

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From what I understand from the court documents

This sentence alone means that you are not sure about it. Thus the rest of your comment is pointless.

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@RedMelons

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FFS, why? We don't see Mac forums with people pleading for OS7, OS8 or OS9 ports of OS X software. On the whole, AmigaOS software is years behind OS X, Windows and Linux software - it's never going to catch up if it's always dragging the weight of OS 3 behind it.

As I see it, MacOSX is more different from MacOS9 than AmigaOS4 compared to AmigaOS3. So maintaining both 3.x and 4.x compatibility shouldn't be that big of an issue. And additionally, 3.x is "the common ground" in Classic amigas, Classic amiga emulators (UAE, Amithlon), MorphOS, AROS - that way there would be more potential developers aswell. Also, this way same project could cover multiple bounties, which means more profit for the developers. And as most of the projects are open source anyway, would be a good idea to keep development quite open aswell.

Porting something like Firefox is a gigantic project. Many have announced that in the past, but no-one has publicized anything even close to ANY amiga web browser in usability. And it's not (always) a fault in developer, it's just such a big project, and it's easy to guess the amount of work wrong before you get started.
In my opinion, a better solution is to "take what is needed" and do a more "native" program from scratch, like Sputnik. On the other hand, Firefox is "a big name", which would bring a lot of publicity.

About VLC, I can't see why so many people are hyping it all the time. It's a bit slower than mplayer, has a GUI (which many mplayer ports have aswell), but luckily you can get fullscreen GUIless display aswell, just like with mplayer

Media players are an area, where all "next gen amiga operating systems" (not sure about AROS though) are doing relatively well (keeping in mind hardware limitations, of course - h.264 decoding can be very demanding, for example) - better concentrate on other areas first

@elwood

I'm happy to hear and for this Firefox to OS4;) Take the money from the Amizilla project!
Even I put my few ¤ in there. I could help some more but now only mentally and maybe materially too. My Thanks go to all participated. Maybe port to OS3 too by somebody but PPC is more important if never to be the beast again.
I love Firefox in the crappy-work Windows I have to use. It just feels and it's much better and Amiga-like than any other. Compatible too. Just don't go to the new "fat"-version as it is slow,buggy and too IE-like what I've heard. (And too much work maybe too)

The only other wish is just to get more OS4 users as I feel left alone as no machines are available. Go ACube and Hyperion and Amiga. Settle courts, don't loose money, make it!

I like ACube. They seem to be keen on doing stuff for the platform as a whole.

Wish they were in charge, instead of the current bunch of the world's premier mulitmedia enabler of clowns and calamity or whatever that slogan is.

@Jupp3

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About VLC, I can't see why so many people are hyping it all the time

Obviously you haven´t used VLC, it´s the best player, it plays all formats out of the box, even videos that Windows media player don´t play.with other video players always there are video you cannot play. i never have found a video that VLC can´t play.Slow? well i installed it on six Wintel configurations ,on all it run fine except in one in which for a reason that i don´t understand it play slow *sometimes* so it isn´t slow at all, maybe your configuration is one of these (very, very few) that for a rare reason it run slow.

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@elwood

Sounds awesome! I would be willing to bet however that Dave Haynie is not involved in this venture!

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@ironfist

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ironfist wrote: They can do whatever they want with the hardware and cross- compilers, but from the second they call it 'Amiga' or market it with 'Amiga' references, they are screwed.

You mean like Genesi has been doing from the start?

/shoe

shoe:
Should that link be of any relevance to what you said?
I can't see any references on that page that Genesi would
market MorphOS as 'Amiga'.

@Fransexy & RedMelons & all

You need to understand both each other _and_ the situation:

In a normal world I would agree 100% with RedMelons. 5 years ago I would agree 100% with Fransexy, but in this case; yes, OS3 is very old and OS4 is the future.

BUT, there is no hardware to run OS4!! We need to keep this in mind. I'm sure most OS3 users that are serious about their Amiga will upgrade to OS4 and its hardware once it becomes available, even if it costs more than equally speced PeeSea hardware, and it will because that's how it works when you're not market leading and 95% of the market and the big folumes that implies.

But until then it may be a good idea to support OS3 also, if possible without too much work, or else there will be noone to use all those OS4 programs since there might be no more OS3 users left to upgrade because all left due to OS3 stopped receiving software.

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