Executive summary for anyone joining in late...

Everyone: Windows sucks!
Hammer: No it doesn't!



@Hammer: While I generally agree with most of your points in defense of Windows, I must say that system restore is a solution to a Windows problem. On the amiga one creates a 'restore point' by using 'c:copy'

@Hammer

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@SlimJim Well, the tread has evolved to feature set comparisons and complaints...

Well, a while there it was more like people asking you to solve their Windows problems ...

(Personally, I use the Windows-interface for one thing, and one thing only -- for clicking on the
icon of a game in order for it to start. I don't use Windows for anything else, because I don't need
it. AOS and Linux (with an unfortunate weight towards Linux, these days) can handle all my
"serious" work, professional and otherwise.
There. I can be OT too, if I want!)
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SlimJim

@CodeSmith

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On the amiga one creates a 'restore point' by using 'c:copy'

Does that particular 'restore point'(i.e. 'c:copy') relates to calendar book style presentation?


PS; I'm aware of AOS's 'c:copy'...
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Everyone: Windows sucks!

Note that generalisations are open for counter replies.

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Hammer: No it doesn't!

Quote Me.

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@SlimJim

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Well, a while there it was more like people asking you to solve their Windows problems

Well, they cited an issue and I responded to them?

Personally, I?m pretty liberal in my usage of WinXP, Linux (Lindows 4 and Red Hat 9) and AmigaOS 3.9.

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@Hammer

ok!!.. if windows is so great... why games runs x-box much
faster than 1.4gh athlon.... only diffece is x-box dosen't have
windows xp.... there is same hardware and almoust same
code in sofware and same direct X... only older than xp...

and there even is test which show windows xp slow down things..!!!!

and if i dont touch whole windows... why my harddrive is readin
all the time. ????

but everybody who like use microsoft "penalty" sofware
and pay some slave licenses!!!!!!
then go out and use the Windows!!!!!!

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@sloxa

Well Technically the hardware is almost the same but they dont work the same. Xbox only cares about games. It's job is to run games. This way you can free it from running many unneeded services and optimize it only for running games.. Thats how it works. You throw everything else and here you have a pure machine. How is your windows when you first install it? It is lightning fast. If you only use it for games then it will be fine. Of course it can't be as fast as Xbox because there are other things.

Another thing is optimizations. On one hand you have a fixed hardware set, on the other hand you have a machine which is changing almost every week. Game developers can not optimize their games for PC as they do it for Xbox. You can use very single bit of Xbox without a worry, because it will always stay the same. This is not the case with PC.

Another thing is games are not the same. For example there is a differecne between the PC version and Xbox version of Max Payne 2. Xbox version have lower quality textures, ripped particle effects and stuff like that. Of course it will run faster on Xbox.

How to a delete a particular post btw?

I found

this old newsgroup post, it has some relevancy this thread IMHO.

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@SlimJim

Hey, same here.
These days I'm playing Diablo II in Windows, ALL my work-work is done using Linux, and my hobby-work is done using a combination of AOS and Linux. Mostly the latter, due to a certain OS not being ready for a certain machine I have.


Edit:
I meant Windows for games. What I actually wrote doesn't make a lot of sense

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olegil wrote: @SlimJim Hey, same here. ALL my work-work is done using Linux, and my hobby-work is done using a combination of AOS and Linux. Mostly the latter, due to a certain OS not being ready for a certain machine I have.

eek, same here. I'm currently doing a proposal for a thesis and the majority of the work has been done on OpenOffice.org as well as OSX (via MOL in order to use Matlab) and using an old G3 powerbook with OS9 to run an econometric program called RATS. OS4 when it finally surfices will probably be the leisure OS for me .

@Bodie

So I beg of you... stop posting here, finish the damn thing! I wanna play CoD!

/me runs off and hides...

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This marketing is so bad, bad. AmigaOS4 will never ever be mainstream if Hyperion dosent give out the beta for everyone in our little and beloved Amiga community.

I am tired of waiting and waiting. So is many out there. Hyperion could atleast release BETA versions. To show that they care about us, not just the developers.

The community, is the best advertisers. Bring it to the people Hyperion!

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

@AmiDelf

A beta is what they are going to send out to the earlybird-users

@hotrod

Well, not to me. I am a CyberstormPPC user and its been allways said that CSPPC was the priority first.

What happened to the CSPPC version? Just ignoring Amiga users! Now thats really nasty trick. Grrr,..

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

@AmiDelf

If you read the posts Rogue has made in this thread carefully, you'll find that he mentions that the Final Release of AOS4 is still coming to CSPPC first!
The beta-version is coming to A1 owners, since we have bought an Amiga that can't run OS 3.9 natively.

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@sloxa

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ok!!.. if windows is so great... why games runs x-box much faster than 1.4gh athlon....

Depends on the surrounding issues.

A test PC@ with NV Geforce4 TI 4200(NV25), Athlon XP 1700+ @1.4Ghz (with SSE), nForce2 333, 512MB PC2100(dual channel) will blow away any X-BOX machine i.e. able to drive games (e.g. UT3200, Halo, Quake3 Team Arena, Need for Speed Underground and 'etc') at higher resolutions and increased texture quality.

With 512MB physical memory, there?s should be ~350MB of free memory from after login. That?s several times greater than X-BOX?s 64MB memory. Note that PC games may have multiple code paths thus making game?s engine slightly larger. With the X-BOX platform, games creators may only consider nVidia NV2x code path.

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only diffece is x-box dosen't have windows xp....

Note that Windows XP has variant editions i.e. consider Windows XP "Embedded Edition".

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and there even is test which show windows xp slow down things..!!!!

To speed things up, one may have to copy the amount services being run by XP from Windows 2000 or from Windows 2003 Server(out-of-the-box).

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and if i dont touch whole windows... why my harddrive is readin

(*Standard PC helpline mode question*) Please detail your PC specs.

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but everybody who like use microsoft "penalty" sofware and pay some slave licenses!!!!!!

Note that Windows XP?s retail licenses is not much different to any commercial software licenses (i.e. 1 real copy = 1 machine, except for certain academic editions).

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@tomazkid

Are you referring this statement?

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The point I'm trying to make here is don't be so critical. True that there are new video boards and such that are somewhat better than what the Amiga comes with, but these are products that don't compete with the Amiga, both in price and in coming standard with a machine. People tend to compare what they can buy for an IBM or Apple to what the Amiga comes with standard. (SNIP)

Note that such a statement could open a new can of worms in this modern PC era... The current PC market environment has changed to embrace integrated features i.e. recall compliant to PC97, PC98, PC99 and PC2001" standards.

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@Hammer

The comment about CSPPC full version to be released first was referring to this:
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Most certainly the release dates of the CSPPC/Blizzard version and the AmigaOne version have moved closer together due to this (with the classic version being pushed back). It doesn't mean, though, that the classic version is standing still or anything. The idea is still to have the classic version released first.

From this thread

And yes, I was referring to that part of that old post mainly

Things never really change, do they ?

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@Hammer
Yea! I know this is an off topic post responding to all the gibberish going back an forth. This is my last posting on the topic becuase I feel it has been beaten to death. Any one who feels insulted by my posting feel free to ignore it

I know people expect lots of bells and whistles in an OS but 200000 built in applications can't save an OS if the basic foundation is Flawed.

Hammer how much do you want to bet that my PPC A1200 can Scan and print better and FASTER than the windows setup you just described.

It does and I have proved it at the Local user group.
Using the same SCSI scanner and Epson photo printer.
The Amiga Scans and prints were up to10% faster and the printouts were heads and tails better. I was using Scanquik and turboprint against the stock windows drivers that came with the peripherals.
Windows can't do TRUE 24 bit printing it only dithers to 24 makes a big dif in the printouts.

I still use my Amiga for alot of what I do. I use windows for my CAD work and PCB designes. but I export the EPS pictures to my Amiga an use final writer to make the plate layout then use turboprint to make the negative photomask.

Boardmaster and XCAD are used on my Amiga for the CNC stuff. I once spent over a thousand dollars on a windows program so I could use my PC for the CNC stuff all it did was give me ulcers as it would fly along great until something I don't know what and boom I would get giberish and a messed board. The software manufacturer suggested I get a more upto date router setup. I explained it worked great with my Amiga and they made a bunch of noise and would not refund my money . So I am stuck useing a twisted cludge version held together by AREXX. It works 100% of the time so I have been bothered to spend more money or time finding a Win version.

I surf the web using Ibrowse and IE. Simple mail to read my mail for better virus protection. Most pictures and documents go back and forth between my Win and AOS machines. I use a KVM and have the machines networked I will work back and forth using one program on AOS then something on Windows. Unfortunately niether one does everything well enough for me to use just one machine.

KGrach
Revanche LLC

PS I can't be bothered to clean up the typos or spelling mistakes.

Yea I am a red,blue,black,penquin troll that hates everything Microsloth so shoot me
I also have owned every version and upgrade of M$ from DOS 2.0 to WinXP Pro.
I have been abused to the max and deserve to bitch.

@Roque

now that the cat is out of the bag about the BETA version. Would I get shot if I posted a couple screen grabs or worse banned from the betas?