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A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? (PDF link added) Posted on 20-Oct-2014 21:13:01
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 20-Oct-2014 21:18:33
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This has nothing to do with Amiga.
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 20-Oct-2014 21:22:03
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 20-Oct-2014 21:23:47
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 21-Oct-2014 9:05:44
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This has nothing to do with Amiga. |
No, but it certainly could be!
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 21-Oct-2014 9:24:48
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| @Barana If inteligent People would create custom OS4 compatible Mainboards they would place RAM and ATX port sideways....
See PiBook. A 3D printed netbook case for Raspberry. A mini-itx board with 90° angled ATX connector and RAM Slot sideways would make a not "ugly/Bulky" looking DIY 17" PPC Notebook possible.
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 21-Oct-2014 10:06:06
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| who is pushing for this ppc laptop is Roberto Innocenti, the same guy who make possible have the kvm on old G4-G5 apple machine . Roberto is a Linux expert user who love linux on PowerPC and really involved in LinuxPPC project Now his try to have wine-qemu working on PPC and is searching developer for port Dolphin (wii / game cube ) emulator on LinuxPPC
Kvm on Linux PPC video by Roberto Innocenti
PS: Amiga Os can be ported for all PowerPC architecture old mac too... what is need is only the volutee to do this and developers to do this Last edited by tlosm on 21-Oct-2014 at 10:08 AM.
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 21-Oct-2014 13:18:02
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Original Sam440 can be configured that way. Soldered on RAM and single height back panel keep the profile very low. The Radeon M9 also has an LVDS port so you don't need a separate board to control the screen either.
I suggested it years ago but as soon as most people read it they ignore everything you say and images of crap like this appear in their heads and the discussion ends.
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 21-Oct-2014 16:37:41
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| @Rob Yes it is sad. Has someone a Mini itx Sam for sale? I would like to give it a try with a printed case. I have access to larger 3d printers from a university. Last edited by phoenixkonsole on 21-Oct-2014 at 04:38 PM.
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 21-Oct-2014 16:51:59
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That machine in strange case is a Pegasos 2 :P i need to understand how it put boards on it :P _________________ I love Amiga and new hope by AmigaNG A 500 + ; CDTV; CD32; PowerMac G5 Quad 8GB,SSD,SSHD,7800gtx,Radeon R5 230 2GB; MacBook Pro Retina I7 2.3ghz; #nomorea-eoninmyhome |
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 21-Oct-2014 20:10:25
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Make sure it has the soldered on RAM and and the LVDS connector. The LVDS is J26 in the manual, the white connector between the RAM and the I/O.
I think you may have to solder on a right ATX connector since I don't think any of the production boards have that although there is an image of green pre-production board configured that way. You'll also have to removed the simm socket, although cutting the tabs of might be enough.
You can get right angled SATA cables too.
Good luck. I would love to see this come to fruition. |
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 21-Oct-2014 21:07:30
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| @Rob Yep i would Let do the soldering work by dce : ) they are a few Minutes away from me. will do the 3D work first and a BOM (battery logic could be tricky) I am working with a huge Dell 17" (Double thickness of my macbook) at work which can also Act as Inspiration. I will try to allow the use of multiple/alternative soc's as well.
I could try to make printable Parts for smaller Printers , inspired from inmoov project (they glue a lot together)
Btw cross your fingers : ) I proposed a aros related project to my university.... With a bit of luck we get pr and fresh blood : ) Last edited by phoenixkonsole on 21-Oct-2014 at 09:15 PM. Last edited by phoenixkonsole on 21-Oct-2014 at 09:14 PM. Last edited by phoenixkonsole on 21-Oct-2014 at 09:10 PM. Last edited by phoenixkonsole on 21-Oct-2014 at 09:08 PM.
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 22-Oct-2014 1:37:24
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I am working with a huge Dell 17" (Double thickness of my macbook) at work which can also Act as Inspiration. |
Was talking about the idea to Rigo (Simon Archer) about the idea at a show years ago and we came to the conclusion that 17" was the way to go so you could fit everything in whilst keeping it relatively slim.
It's probably worth getting in touch with him if you can since he built Suzanne and can probably help you with some of the technical issues.
Probably worth discussing the project on EAB too since there are a few people there who may be able to help with designing a a charging circuit for the battery, unless you decide to go down the plug-in route like Simon did with Suzanne.
I'd recommend putting an advert up in Uni and local papers etc asking for dead laptops "for learning to repair them" should give you a source of free parts to use and also experiment with. What battery is the best shape for your purposes etc. |
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 22-Oct-2014 3:13:46
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If inteligent People would create custom OS4 compatible Mainboards |
Surely the most sensible decision would be to port to cheap, powerful, readily available machines... Mac PPCs? |
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 22-Oct-2014 4:56:41
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Not going to happen with the current hardware policy. The best we can hope for would be if A-EON or Acube design a drop in replacement for a bottom of the line Toshiba Satelite pro or similar. It would require someone securing a stock of donor laptops in advance but 200-300 systems would be small change compared to what A-EON are pumping into development and the standard boards could be flogged off cheap as service parts.
If a replacement board cost about the same as a Sam460 you could be looking at £700- £750 for complete system. Sure it's far higher than an old Macbook but it's the sort of price the OS4 market is used to higher prices and I think selling 200 - 300 is probably realistic considering the X1000 has sold that many or more, even with a truly eye-watering price.
[B]"How many AmigaOne X1000 was produced since the beginning?"[/B]
"More that 200 and less that 2,000. "
http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwdickinson2_en.php
He also stated at last years Amiwest that batches were between 100 and 300 units and since there were 3 runs it suggests than over 300 have been produced.
I would hope that quietly they are doing just that but I'm not particularly expecting it.
I also really phoenixkonsole's plan succeeds even if it only results in his own personal machine because like the A600 based Suzanne it would be pretty damm cool. |
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 22-Oct-2014 6:22:19
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| @danwood Hmm not if you try to sell it. If you are only providing software you are right. I would not take the risk to offer those nasty ppc macs because of the very high failure rate. To be honest the easiest way is a winuae powered i386 notebook.
I think about a multipurpose case for pi, odroid and as gimmick for Sam mini itx.
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 22-Oct-2014 8:53:38
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Port AmigaOs4 to old PoweMacs G4-G5 will be for sure a good increasing of base users. for sure more than 2000 new licenze will come . But port to macmini will be simple because from 1.2ghz to 1.5 the hardware inside is pratically the same (moana reborn?) the probelms will come for laptops and G5 too much different in hardware inside and for videoboards depending by the model. AmigaOS like Morphos dont have the support for Nvidia video board .. and many powermacs have it by default .. In any way will be need a new developer division and probably will prize more than the profit this licenze will gave to Hyperion. _________________ I love Amiga and new hope by AmigaNG A 500 + ; CDTV; CD32; PowerMac G5 Quad 8GB,SSD,SSHD,7800gtx,Radeon R5 230 2GB; MacBook Pro Retina I7 2.3ghz; #nomorea-eoninmyhome |
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 22-Oct-2014 9:20:05
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 22-Oct-2014 14:17:16
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"high failure rate" on mac ppc's? proofs? _________________ Amiga 1200 desktop. Apollo 030/50 Mhz 8mb ram + ClassicWB + Wb 3.1 Amiga 500 + ACA500plus 8mb + 30gb CF Raspberry Pi 3b+ and Amibian 1.4 Mac Mini G4 1GB Ram with the butterfly!! |
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Re: A open source powerPC laptop for Amiga? Posted on 22-Oct-2014 17:14:57
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| @_ThEcRoW Seriosly? It is my own Impression/experience afteramiga i went to ppc macs but here you go http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/laptops.html
BTW what i like more about Sam is: it is silent. Every ppc mac and intel macbook (white/Black) i know have become Ultra noisy with Age. Websurfing got too demanding. Hot and Ultra noisy is the Price if you use old 'powerfull' ppc mobiles.
Mac Mini plus morphOS = gogo Gadgeto Helicopter. Except you are doing Nothing. Last edited by phoenixkonsole on 22-Oct-2014 at 06:30 PM.
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