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KimmoK 
Digging 1992 Vintage info etc...
Posted on 23-Jun-2015 8:17:30
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I forgot that AGA was already released in Y1992 on A4000.
(AA was developed (year)s ago, AA powered A3000+ was canceled by management, stripped down A4000 to replace it, demonstrated 1992)

1992 stuff:

http://pctimeline.info/comp1992.htm
hot stuff:
MS-DOS game Star Trek: 25th Anniversary (VGA GFX, even as CD-ROM version, CD-ROM version seem to play a lot of sounds from CD)
"IBM begins shipping a 386SX upgrade for the PS/2 Model 57SX, giving it up to 88% faster performance"
"Compaq Computer introduces the Compaq Deskpro 486/50L computer. It features 8 MB RAM, 120 MB IDE hard drive, 50 MHz 486, 256 kB cache, seven EISA slots, 1.2 MB disk drive, 1.44 MB disk drive, 512 kB VGA. Price is US $11,299"
"Advanced Micro Devices announces plans to enter the 486 processor market later in the year. Products pre-announced are 5.0 volt Am486DX and Am486SX, and 3.3 volt Am486DXLV and Am486SXLV"
"Advanced Micro Devices announces the availability of the 40 MHz Am386DX processor, for US$114 in 1000 unit quantities."
"Advanced Micro Devices announces the 33 MHz Am386SX processor, priced at US$76 in 1000 unit quantities."
"IBM introduces the PS/2 Model 35 SX-4B1 and PS/2 Model 35 SX-4B2. Both use 386SX processors"
"Cyrix introduces the 25 MHz Cx486SLC microprocessor. It features an internal 32-bit data path (with 486
integer instruction set), but with a 16-bit external data path (386SX interface). It includes a 1 kB cache, but no coprocessor. It uses 0.8 micron CMOS technology, incorporating 600,000 transistors. Price is US$119 each in quantities of 1000"
"Motorola begins volume shipments of the 33 MHz 68040 processor."
"Cyrix introduces the Cx486DLC microprocessor. It is a 32-bit bus version of the Cx486SLC, pin-compatible with the Intel 386DX. It incorporates a 1 kB cache, and incorporates 600,000 transistors. Price for 25 MHz is US$99, 33 MHz is US$119; 40 MHz is US$159."

Main Amiga gfx cards cards that I sopotted advertised were Domino(32kcolors) and Visiona(24bit 4Mb).
We got first versions of MagicWB. http://www.sasg.com/mwb/showroom.html


http://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/pc-cost-1992.2010671/
"The cheapest system was an 80286@16Mhz with a socket for an 80287. 2
floppies (1,2&1.44MB), 1MB RAM upgradeable to 4 MB on motherboard, 42 MB
hard drive, keyboard, 2serial-1 parallel, video card, mouse and Video
display, Software Spinnaker 8 in 1, & ProList and DOS 5.0..... COST
$1099"
"The high end system was a 80486 @ 33Mhz, 2 floppies (1,2&1.44MB), 1 MB
RAM upgradeable to 16MB on motherboard, 42 MB hard drive, keyboard,
2serial- 1parallel, video card and Video display, mouse and DOS
5.0..... COST $1935"

I did not found info of what has been the most sold configuration of x86 in 1992 and 1993.
Only things like:
"In 1992 a friend bought a PC "clone" that had a Intel 286 TURBO! That ran at 16mhz. I bought my first PC early

in 1995 and the 386SX cpu ran at 33mhz, but many of the PCs later that year were running at 66mhz."

For Amiga Vintage info:
http://amiga.resource.cx/

btw.
I never found filter/methode how these backgrounds were done for 8 color WB:
http://www.sasg.com/mwb/gallery/jane.gif


**********
some mixed archive of adverts:
https://archive.org/details/computermagazines?and[]=subject%3A%22vou%22
PC mag @ google books:
https://books.google.fi/books?id=hnvCf6WlcYcC&pg=PT121&lpg=PT121&dq=1992+average+pc&source=bl&ots=CYOBawRo1v&sig=iwclZr3JesE1CsbYu3DG0T8BKEM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7PaIVbSFFsjlywP09IYg&ved=0CE4Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=1992%20average%20pc&f=false

**********
I think I found my mini-VHS that contain my recordings from AmiCon92 event from sweden.
I did not remember that we had SW only nonlinear editor for 68k Amigas.
But then I realized that the setup that played back to the future2 from HDD on A3000 at AmiCon92 might have used early version of the editor SW.
(need to find adapter for the mini VHS)


**************
Trying to spot how many high resolution (above VGA320x200) capable games were released in 1992 (if there is any)...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1992_video_games

This lists 34 of all released DOS games (695) being SVGA:
http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/dos/tic,2/ti,12/1992/

~40% of games were EGA games and about 60+% were VGA games.

Audio:
1992 695 games were released for MS-DOS:
http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/dos/1992/

Only 431 of them supported other than BEEP sound. ??error??

331 games supported soundblaster.
http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/dos/1992/tic,1/ti,17/

...

(It seems that when CBM died, most released Amiga games were still OCS games.)

+++
y1992 macintosh:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_year/macs-released-in-1992.html

In some areas apple had more sane configurations than what CBM had (like some CPU dedicated RAM, expenisve 24bit graphics card on high end, etc.). But things like B&W monitors do not seem right for y1992.
Ans some models had 32bit CPUs on 16bit bus (like on some intel 386sx setups and Atari falcon). Amiga has at least had 32bit (64bit via cyberstorm) RAM width for 68k FAST RAM.

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cdimauro 
Re: Digging 1992 Vintage info etc...
Posted on 23-Jun-2015 18:34:03
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From: Germany

@KimmoK: the post is too much confusing.
If you want to collect information, create dedicated section for every area/hardware, and report items or configurations sorted by year (and month, if available).
Otherwise the post is not useful for someone who wants to understand what happened and what was available at a certain time.

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KimmoK 
Re: Digging 1992 Vintage info etc...
Posted on 24-Jun-2015 6:54:20
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From: Ylikiiminki, Finland

Some stuff for me to write more about, about Amigas in Finland from y1990 untill 1994 (to write before I’m totally senile):

Amigas expensive in Finland:
-up to 2* the price of Amigas in middle europe
-one official importer, no commodore
-built in keyboards (huge logistic challenge)
-localized manuals for small market

Sales margins:
-10x higher than for x86
-x86 built from parts, own import, own warranty, only 100FIM margin to cover all costs
-A3000/A4000 boxed as ready to sell had more than 1000FIM sales margin
-but still, marketing of Amigas was almost totally non-existing

stuff:
-No high end sales.
-Most high end expansions and build options not available in Finland
-Usually firms had no competence to sell Amiga for productivity use.
-There was strong attitude that Amiga is only games machine.
-No-one knew what user friendly desktop multitasking is (not even Linus Torvalds knew, it seems).
-General public rarely knew anything beyond MS-DOS way of computing.
-Most sold Amigas were unexpanded, therefore most Amiga users never knew what AmigaHW+AOS was really capable of.
-Games sold well, even though piracy was high, “public domain” SW disks sold well, commercial productivity SW sales was almost non-exixting
-A600 (introduced in 1992) did harm to Amiga niche
-A600 multimedia kiosk build
-A2000 video titling build
-A2000 from Belgium

++++
And I think, at that time, one advantage of PC was that it was pretty incapable to spread viruses, because DOS did not assist it with multitasking like Amiga did.
If kids and adults were sharing the computer use, Windows side remained pretty intact when kids played only in DOS.


*******my view on Amiga HW released/sold in 1992-1993********

A600 was too limited. (no fast RAM option)

CD32 design was ok, but
-it should have shipped with fast RAM as standard

A1200 design was ok for low end, but
-it should have shipped with fast RAM and HDD as a standard
-(if BOM cost of A1200D build and A1200 build would be close enough, drop A1200), introduce A600HD+2+2MbRAM as the minimum)

A1200D should have been made to fill the gap between low end and high end
-A1200 caliber motherboard, CPU on a card with SIMM RAM
-zorro slots (2...4)
-no ISA slots
-flixer fixer (video slot not mandatory)
-built in color composite output
-(to avoid insanely high logistics cost of built in keyboards, perhaps only A1200D should have been made instead of A1200)

A4000
-should not have been released at all, A3000 was better.
-management wanted A4000 to be like cost reduced A3000
-A4000 ended up costing as much as A3000, offering less for high end
-in 1992 high end Amiga systems had 24bit GFX cards + flixer fixer already
-A3500T should have been released as the high end model with 24bit GFX card + RTG driver and 16Mb RAM + HDD

With those changes, Amigas would have been simpler to sell and use, but surely it was already too late for CBM in general. Without production + support Amiga was dead as a business.
(engineering had DSP using prototypes already, those would have been usefull only if CBM had stayed afload)
+++
Relative integer computing speed from sysinfo.. (rough idea)
68000 7Mhz + chipram = 1* (0.55 sysinfo MIPS)
68000 7Mhz + fastram = 1.34*
68020 14Mhz + cr = 2.4*
68020 14Mhz + fr = 4*
68030 25Mhz + fr = 9*
68040 25Mhz + fr = ~37*
68060 50Mhz + fr =~70*
++++
My own Amiga in y1992 was like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPT7SmVEpjc
(but with 1+2MbRAM)

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cdimauro 
Re: Digging 1992 Vintage info etc...
Posted on 24-Jun-2015 17:13:28
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@KimmoK: I don't understand why you talk of "what if" when the topic is about "Vintage info".

Mixing reality / history with fantasy doesn't make sense...

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KimmoK 
Re: Digging 1992 Vintage info etc...
Posted on 25-Jun-2015 7:13:35
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Joined: 14-Mar-2003
Posts: 5211
From: Ylikiiminki, Finland

@cdimauro

> you talk of "what if"

I do not think I do that.

Just described how available HW was incorrectly set up for the market.
(because of the new management at commodore)

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