@itix

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PFS3 already supports 64-bit packets. Extending PFS to support large files (2GB+) with backward compatibility is not trivial, it might be even impossible. Mounting large capacity HD and large files must work with older PFS3 versions without data loss. If it is not possible then PFS4 is needed. This again requires changes to PFSDoctor...

Breaking compatibility and calling it PFS4 would probably be best since you can have PFS3 installed at the same time anyway.

@cdimauro

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Linux is developed 80% by (BIG) COMPANIES! Non-commercial contributions are the VAST MINORITY.

Here is nice statistic about changes to Linux kernel since april 2005. Only 13.82% of contributions are from hobbyists. So definetly not a hobby os...

@itix

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itix wrote: All SFS versions fragment very badly in long run and Defrag won't help enough.

After the release of SFS people where cheering to the new file system and called it better than PFS.

Well I doesn't know what to think about it, is PFS better than SFS or not?

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There is also a bug in some SFS versions that they sometimes corrupt their internal data especially if you are writing to two files concurrently.

AFAIK some versions of PFS where not as good as SFS.

Instead of Linux specifically, one should target FUSE which exists not only for Linux, but also for *BSD (including MacOS X) and heck, even Windows apparently.

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@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote: @Raffaele I don't know in which world are you living. Linux is developed 80% by (BIG) COMPANIES! Non-commercial contributions are the VAST MINORITY. That's why you cannot compare its development with any other hobby-o.s..

Hello? I live in the real world.

Not sure about you!

In REAL world almost 10 or more years ago a young Linux developer almost unknown (see Linux Credits) named Hans-Joachim Widmaier from Nethelands realized FOR FREE and inserted in main Linux Kernel Branch the support for Amiga Fast File System.

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@Raffaele: it was the 1997 when a friend of mine took my Amiga 1200's hard drive, mounted it on Linux with the FFS filesystem, and showed me the contents of all 4 partitions. So don't try to tell me confused things which you've read somewhere.

Previously you've written this:

"Where do you live? Linux developers are in the order of thousands and many good Linux developers live in second world countries where a couple hundred dollars is a good salary, and could help developer making the day."

which is plainly and simply FALSE. Linux isn't an "hobby o.s." from very long time, and its developers are VERY WELL PAYED for the most part.

BTW, Rose has posted a useful link with concrete commits stats. I've found a colleague of mine which works on my site and has committed more than 10 thousand patches...

@kolla

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kolla wrote: Instead of Linux specifically, one should target FUSE which exists not only for Linux, but also for *BSD (including MacOS X) and heck, even Windows apparently.

FUSE has just been ported to AROS.

@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote: @Raffaele: it was the 1997 when a friend of mine took my Amiga 1200's hard drive, mounted it on Linux with the FFS filesystem, and showed me the contents of all 4 partitions. So don't try to tell me confused things which you've read somewhere.

So then it was 20 years... Time passes...

It still remains THE FACT that the guy made this job FREE OF ANY SALARY...

And you can't let this fact passing unnoticed due to a mismatch in dates...

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@Raffaele: yes, around 20 years ago.

Now take a look at the stats: the situation is A BIT changed...

@wawa

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wawa wrote: @TRIPOS Quote: It's native and in the MorphOS "ROM", making it possible to boot MorhOS from a PFS3 partition... is there actually some morphos rom, in order to boot for example from pfs3 media on a mac?

There is a boot.img file, which is loaded first on every supported system (be it Pegasos, Mac, Efika, or Sam) and that file is doing the same as for example Kickstart is doing on the Amiga (contains some crucial parts of the OS). So, kind of "ROM" in quotes.

PFS3 resides on that boot.img nowadays and it's available before the actual operating system is loaded from the filesystem, so you can boot MorphOS from the PFS3 partitions too, and yes, on Macs too.


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Raffaele wrote: Macintosh machines require mandatory a Mac HF+ partition to boot from.

Only to load the boot.img file, not to boot the operating system. MorphOS itself can't be booted from an HFS partition and it's always booted from an Amiga compatible filesystem (SFS by default).

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@OneTimer1

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OneTimer1 wrote: Well I doesn't know what to think about it, is PFS better than SFS or not?

There isn't any definite answer for that. There are small differences, neither of them is perfect, but both are way better than FFS. It's mostly about personal experience which one will feel better for you and your use.

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@OneTimer1

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After the release of SFS people where cheering to the new file system and called it better than PFS.

PFS3 ?

@NutsAboutAmiga

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Fix file notification API, and maybe there will be interest in improving the filesystems.

What is broken with it?

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@Thread in general.
I think it's far better than SFS which for me, gets worse speed wise the more you use it, can get corrupted and is slower at file access. Esp when multiple transactions at once are going on. The multi-user stuff I haven't really dabbled in yet due to AOS not really supporting multiple users without add-ons.
PFS3 has been my only file system for over 10 years on my AMIGA, even in WinUAE which I now use due to lack of good affordable hardware.

I only asked this question because even PFS3 has issues. The lack of +2GB files and TB disks is a real need now for me and video/audio files.
I resort to using my Ubuntu box or Windows.

If there was to be a PFS4, i'd agree to let PFS3 die and migrate over in a heartbeat. As long as the great parallel access times and recovery tools remain. I have had to use PFS doctor only a few times and when I have had to, it worked every time. I am migrating to the latest patch Toni uploaded, apparently this fixes a few issues that I haven't had yet, I set up my MaxTransfer mask properly for my Z3 Fastlane on my A4000 and copied it across to the WinUAE once the 4k became too slow to use any more.

I am really glad that it is still in development, I too looked at SourceForge and went "bahhh, not again"
I may ask Toni to open up a donate page. I'd really like to see a PFS4 with the large file support, then again, I love BTRFS on Linux as well. This file system (PFS3) has been the fastest AMI file system I have used to date and the most robust. I just want that large file support and big disk space.

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@Raffaele

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It still remains THE FACT that the guy made this job FREE OF ANY SALARY...

Sure, it was 20 years ago and Linux is quite a different project nowadays, but you are correct that many minor "niche" features, that only less than 1% of linux users would ever need (such as the mentioned FFS support) are done "for free", by few people who belong in that less-than-1%. The big companies don't see any reason they should pay for something like that.

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@SHADES

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I may ask Toni to open up a donate page.

you can simply donate on his winuae page, just notify him, for what. and if you have suggestions you dont want to discuss per mail, register at eab. he is not a member here, afaik, so this thread wont have any effect.

@broadblues

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What is broken with it?

It's not broken, but it is extremely limited, I can't get notifications about file changed in sub directories. I was going to use this to implement some kind dropbox (to sync locally between my PC and Amiga), but I gave up on it.

The only way I can do what I wanted, is If wrote myself a file handler like "ENV:", but it seems to be too much work.

Who knows maybe revisit the project in the future, now I found a new project to work on, hope I don't hit a brick wall

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: Who knows maybe revisit the project in the future, now I found a new project to work on, hope I don't hit a brick wall

What kind of project?

@Thread

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1) No any further development of FFS2 by Hyperion?

2) Is anybody who wants a porting of MorphOS IceFS on AmigaOS too?

IceFS is a very stable and robust filesystem with lots of modern features and maintained by a very precise professional developer.

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@Raffaele

I'd be willing to try IceFS, would be an interesting comparison speed wise at least and 2TB is much bigger than what PFS3 supports. The large file support has been tested thoroughly I hope?

BTRFS port would be even nicer though!

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