@AMiGR

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MorphOS is far more compatible with older software for one

So is OS 3.9, that isn't necessarily a sign of superiority

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Warp3D

AmigaOS 4 has Warp3D as well... The original, not a rip-off.

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Yes, the user cares about that, not wether the OS has virtual address spaces or not, which I do not know.

That is not quite true. The virtual address space helps keeping fragmentation low. That used to be a major problem on the old system. So the user should care.

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@Michael_Garlich

you would prob find there is at least 1000 A1 oweners here now who would purchase papyrus and many more to come once os4 final is released
makes good business sence to capture this market while you can b4 something else dose

@falcon1

I remember a similar discussion with Hennes.

MorphOS also had SMP support since day 1.

Turned out it would never be used inside the A/Box and it wasn't actually ever tested at that time.

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@poweramiga2002

I would like Papyrus (and BurnIT) for OS4 aswell and allthough I doubt everybody with an A1 will get it there's still some sales to get from a port. MOS is a small market aswell!

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@Rogue

1) I'm talking about maturity by the user's point of view, not technical
superiority. I'm not the one to judge which system is technically superior.
2) I'm talking about stuff available to the user right now, on the current
releases. (And it's a wrapper, not a rippoff, just like the CGX API wrapper
over P96).
3) What I meant is that they care about the outcome. Yes, it helps solve
the fragmentation problem of course. I cannot comment on the other side
as I do not know if MorphOS' A/Box implements VM, some people say that
it does.

The whole point is to enhance your OS, saying "ok, we're superior" will not
help you do that as you have less motivation that way. When I try to do
something I always consider myself to be behind the competition at ALL times.

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sorry but this thread has become an "MY FATHER IS STRONGER THAN YOUR FATHER" type of thread...


i would like to say that both os's has great things which the other part misses and with time theese might meet each other or something but that would require genesi to pay some money (to extend mos dev.).


anyway i was one of thoose who wanted wos wrapper for a long time as i where used to having that on morphos but now after some time i dont care if os4 has it or not tbh.


now...give me NOVA! and i will be quiet

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@AMiGR

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1) I'm talking about maturity by the user's point of view, not technical superiority. I'm not the one to judge which system is technically superior. 2) I'm talking about stuff available to the user right now, on the current releases. (And it's a wrapper, not a rippoff, just like the CGX API wrapper over P96). 3) What I meant is that they care about the outcome. Yes, it helps solve the fragmentation problem of course. I cannot comment on the other side as I do not know if MorphOS' A/Box implements VM, some people say that it does.

Fair questions and not the ones being answered. It is a bit too much to expect the Hyperion folks to answer these broad comparative questions for obvious reasons.

I actually think a decent and fair comparison would be a very good thing (and it need not be competative). MorphOS has the advantage of having been out longer, and from the users perspective I would be damned surprised if it did not have a lot of intersting and useful extras.

What would be nice is a MorphOS user to start listing what they consider useful which may or may not be on OS4. Certianly that would be the easier path, because I would read things at thge moment OS4 covers the same areas already resident in MorphOS and as the Hyperion guys show the important differences are "under the hood" where they have been working and are of the tecfhn ical nature you complain, which sounds interesting to me but I agree is a little abstract from a users standpoint (me being a user).

The more technical comparison should really be down to overview arcticles illustrating how each OS has gone about things. Perhaps there are some already published spec sheets where some table could be drawn up.

I am happy as a pig in clover with my OS4, nothing other than utter disaster would at this stage make me change platforms, but I am geniunely interested on what might be useful and good on MorphOS, because the platforms are so close it is not just a matter of copying features (which I am not against) but using one feature to suggest something altogther better which might benefit both systems. in the long term.

As so much of the past acrimony between the so-called two camps has recently died down, maybe we should be looking at things more constructively, as I think we now have the chanced in this thread to do.

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@Mr.Return

Trap is there to indicate PPC code. 68k emulator is never invoked and it is 100% transparent.

But if this trap is encountered by 68k emulator it causes a switch to PPC native execution. This makes it easy to use 68k datatypes or MUI classes without problems and JIT works like a charm (i.e. Petunia used to have serious problems with 68k MUI hooks). Traps are clean and efficient solution.

FYI there is MorphOS version which doesnt have 68k emulation at all (who needs 68k stuff anyway?).

@AMiGR

The text formerly inserted by Freaks here has been edited by Bodie_CI5, personal insult, even if "humourous". Please don't make me moderate during my work hours...

about this thread, to me, it look like the history is repeating,
powerup was there first but has been replaced by warpup.
(because of crappy internal design i would guess ? ;)
then today it"s the same story:
mos was there first but it is being replaced by os4 ;)

so which one is superior, it"s clear for me: os4 is vastly superiror

i think i"m right but, we never know.
future will tell.
hum come to think of it, as for powerup, there may still have a bunch of blind followers beleiving in mos despite everyone has abandoned the ship..as for powerup i knew some fools strongly beleiving powerup was the only one true genuine ppc solution for amigaos while everyone where using and developping for warpup, they kept faith in powrup lol

i really wonder how morphos will do without a graphical interface (ambient)
and if the story in this thread is true about amitcp and david gerber, so morphos will have to deal with that other problem too..
lol so where moorphos is better ? without gui, without tcp stack ?
you mos ppl, go get a descent gui first before talking bwahaha
ambient lacked everything.. and mos is a crash machine.
so before impementing fancy stuff try to have a solid basis. stable.

This text as well.

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@Toaks

I'm stronger than your father

I agree, this has become a pissing contest. What's the point? Wouldn't it be a tad silly if the Friedens were doing OS4 in a certain way and not believing in it themselves? Duh. Criticising a developer for believeing in his own code seems like a dead end to me

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@freaks

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lol so where moorphos is better ? without gui, without tcp stack ? you mos ppl, go get a descent gui first before talking bwahaha ambient lacked everything.. and mos is a crash machine. so before impementing fancy stuff try to have a solid basis. stable.

Eva, is that you?

@ssolie

As I recall, MOS isn't paying it's coders and owes them lots of money. I'd doubt if there will be any more work on MorphOS in the future. I'm betting it's a dead OS/platform.

@Eagle

MOS doesn't have a bankaccount to pay the salaries from, nor it has the necessary Articial Intelligence to open one

Just gotta love these subjective advocacy threads.

@hooligan

I heard a rumor that version 1.5 would have been able to open bank account in Switzerland (sp)...

@GregS

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What would be nice is a MorphOS user to start listing what they consider useful which may or may not be on OS4.

I believe we should start a new thread (I don't know if this forum would be the best place for it as too many MOS Users seem to think this forum is exclusive for Amiga owners -especially A1 owners- which I don't think...).

Indeed I believe A1/OS4 fans and Pegs/Mos fans have a few things in common:
1.> They don't like M$ and want Alternatives.
2.> They like the "Amiga Way".

In a "special" thread, we should all discuss what we are looking for in an OS (not necessarly what our OS has or has NOT). Then share this discussion with OS Devs (Genesi/MOS Team and Hyperion) and see which one can better answer our needs/wishes.
Of course we need to separate Hardware and OS for this discussion THEN after we can discuss if the PEG or the A1 can support it. THEN we can start Development on the more adapted platform.

I believe we all want the same in an OS. So just imagine if we (MOS Devs or Hyperion or both...) build a "new OS" having the Amiga feeling and all the positive aspect of MOS and OS4 !

I do not think it can be productive to just see what OS lacks WHAT. But more what each OS have and solve what each OS lacks and put all this things together to build THE "Ultimate" OS.

Jerry

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@ amigrrr and Bodie_CI5

ok, it was a bad joke, i apologize ;)
by the way i was jealous because my own hair are crap ;)

@Mr_Capehill

moorfoos can auto-open new bank account anywhere in the world since day1
it was a totaly secret feature covered by the very confidential qbox,
but unfortunatly abox couldn't access to all the great qbox powers because .. because.
and noone knows where the mighty qbox possibilities will end.

noone should know about that,
now, where's my lawers ?

/me get the phone

@freaks

>it was a totaly secret feature covered by the very confidential qbox<
I thought this feature was reserved for the bbrvbox ?

Jerry

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@freaks

So can OS4 if you remember to link your code with -lauto. It then includes all necessary code pieces.