I don't want to rain on anybodies parade here but this announcement shows a couple of big missing factors. And no, I won't stop bringing this up.

Where the hell is Amiga OS 4.0 for Sam announcement. This lawsuit is crippling the entire Amiga community. Now there is hardware but the OS can't be legally provided? This is pathetic. Do any of you realize how stupid we look to the rest of the computer world?

Also, where is the Amiga OS 4 on Mac Mini announcement? This shows to me that the powers in control over OS 4 really don't get it. The OS 4 user and programmer base hasn't grown the last few years. So instead of letting it grow fast so there will be users and programmers and take advantage of the controlled environment of the Mac Mini because there is not much diversity in the hardware, the only very laughable reason we have is that it's a dead platform. Yeah but in bigger quantities then any other solution will ever provide.


The only thing that happened lately is that a lot of AmigaOne motherboards have been sold by people that are fed up and won't return. These end up in the hands of people that have wanted one for a long time. If this process continues for a long time then everyone that wanted to buy an expensive motherboard to run OS 4 on already has it bought second hand.

I'm sorry but trying to put a positive spin on or current situation is just plain naive.

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The only thing that happened lately is that a lot of AmigaOne motherboards have been sold by people that are fed up and won't return.

I've not seen that happening.

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I am looking forward for it to happen then

Anyone fed up with their UA1 please PM me!

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Where the hell is Amiga OS 4.0 for Sam announcement. This lawsuit is crippling the entire Amiga community. Now there is hardware but the OS can't be legally provided? This is pathetic. Do any of you realize how stupid we look to the rest of the computer world?

I agree 110%

Even though there's a court case going on it should be in both Hyperion and Amiga's interest that the business can continue and OS4 userbase grow.

They should have agreed to let aCube market and sell OS4 for ClassicPPC, SAM and Mac and let OS4 and licensing revenues go to a closed bank account while the court case gets settled.
Taking into account that releasing OS4 for SAM and Mac wouldn't be a big financial risk for anyone but aCube, whats the problem.

Putting business on halt for years is certainly a MUCH bigger problem. Actually it's killing whats left of the community.

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"Taking into account that releasing OS4 for SAM and Mac wouldn't be a big financial risk for anyone but aCube, whats the problem"

sorry Troels... could you elaborate more deeply the above statement? i'm not sure to have understood.

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Solution it is easy...

ACube could get permission from both Amiga Inc., and Hyperion to show at Pianeta Amiga its products Sam440 EP with AOS 4.0 running and live performance of MOANA Macintosh AmigaOS4.0 loader.

Both opposing parts at Court Trial should publically agree and give a written permission to ACube allowing the italian firm free of any charge.

Because if these products will be visible at the show, it will be a great advertising opportunity, and the value of Amiga related products will increase...

Ah!

If only Bill Mc. Ewen and Ben Hermans had had only a little grain of salt in their brains they will come to an extra-judiciary agreement and start to collect money from Amiga renevues selling packages and packages, instead of spending it refourbishing lawyers with Amiga money.

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@Framiga

Just meant it was aCube taking the financial chances paying for development etc. and not Amiga or Hyperion. At least that was my understanding from what I have read here on AW.

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But Amiga Inc believe that any selling of OS4 on minor platforms will dilute the brand name and its economic value. There are even rumours that they finally have a potential customer for OS4, but one who is interested in having unique rights: ie no others may use OS4. If this is the case, they have nothing to gain from allowing ACube to sell a few units.

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Without Amiga Inc or Hyperion at the show there won't be much
to get excited about. But yes keep on hinting, it's great fun.

Good times just around the corner ya' know. *hint* *hint'

/sarcasm off

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Even though there's a court case going on it should be in both Hyperion and Amiga's interest that the business can continue and OS4 userbase grow. They should have agreed to let aCube market and sell OS4 for ClassicPPC, SAM and Mac and let OS4 and licensing revenues go to a closed bank account while the court case gets settled. Taking into account that releasing OS4 for SAM and Mac wouldn't be a big financial risk for anyone but aCube, whats the problem.

Amiga Inc would appear to be giving in to Hyperion if they allowed ACube to sell OS4 for Hyperion. Amiga Inc's whole case is that they own the OS, and it should be their's to do with as they please. I suspect that their announcement of an alliance with ACK so soon after ACube announced one with Hyperion scuppers any chance of a deal with ACube permanently, even if Amiga Inc wins the trial and gets hold of OS4.

I doubt Hyperion will make any move to sell OS4 outside of the parameters of their existing agreement, as this would give Amiga Inc much ammunition for the court case.

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Putting business on halt for years is certainly a MUCH bigger problem. Actually it's killing whats left of the community.

The fact that Hyperion have jeopardised Amiga Inc's business is one of Amiga Inc's arguments, so for the purposes of the lawsuit this probably plays into their hands. I guess they figure they can sort out the mess once they win.

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Without Amiga Inc or Hyperion at the show there won't be much to get excited about. But yes keep on hinting, it's great fun. Good times just around the corner ya' know. *hint* *hint' /sarcasm off

I have to agree. I fully expect Amiwest to be a non-event for pretty much the same reasons. Ironically, I think that if the court case resulted in the final death of OS4 (both companies bankrupt and no-one with the money to continue development), the Amiga as a whole would benefit. We'd be a definite retro platform instead of this weird state we're in, and all the angst would go away. Look at the communities around the C64, Atari 8 bit, Spectrum etc... they're all doing pretty well.

I go ONLY IF Sam has OS4!

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Even though there's a court case going on it should be in both Hyperion and Amiga's interest that the business can continue and OS4 userbase grow.

AH AH AH AH!! Amiga inc interest??? Amiga Inc don't care about Amiga OS at all.

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AH AH AH AH!! Amiga inc interest??? Amiga Inc don't care about Amiga OS at all.

I know..

But at some point Amiga Inc spend time and money on getting a contract written that ensured them some revenue from OS4 sales.

So if AmigaOS4 doesn't have their interest, perhaps MONEY has? Even if OS4 for SAM, Mac and Classic wont sell as much as it could have a year or three ago it would still bring in a little $$ to their bank account (IF they are the rightfull owner).

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> So if AmigaOS4 doesn't have their interest, perhaps MONEY has?

Seeing what they are doing, I suspect that they get more money from elsewhere if they kill every real developement of OS4.

Luca

Right, they only need to show to investor they have anything since DE/Anywhere is death.

Thay can only talk about projects, they don't do nothing for Amiga.

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There are even rumours that they finally have a potential customer for OS4, but one who is interested in having unique rights: ie no others may use OS4

Where did you hear this young man ??

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