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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : DiscreetFX Partners Makes an Urgent Appeal to the Amiga Community
   posted by DiscreetFX on 24-Sep-2007 23:39:19 (32546 reads)
Hello Fellow Amiga users

Like many of you I tuned to this weekends events at the Pianeta Amiga show hoping for good news and the availability of Amiga OS 4.0 hardware. And like many of you I was very disappointed to see that OS 4.0 is still not available and the stalemate continues. This deeply saddens me, in another life I was an Amiga owner and enjoyed it for many years before I became an investment banker and no longer had time for Amiga fun. Today I have no Amiga systems but still have hopes for a new beginning. When the CEO of DiscreetFX came to me in early October 2006 with an idea to raise capital and attempt a buyout of the company I got excited. We hashed out a plan to bring Amiga back on mobile devices. Not the now out of business DE stuff but instead with OS 4.0. Today's smart phones are like the early 1980's battle of different computer platforms fighting to gain market share and user-bases. In the mobile space there is no 90% Microsoft dominance and Amiga could have a chance. The desktop would not be ignored, each would feed the other.


It has been almost a year now and Amiga has not given us a formal response except for an outright insane amount to buy out the company. Since October of 2006 Apple has announced , shipped and sold over 1 million iPhones. Competition is good, choice is good, Amiga OS 4 should also be in that space. But why is it not? Imagine a price for Amiga that is so big you would not believe, then add some and you will know $$$. I worked hard and gathered up a group of investors with DiscreetFX to do an honest and fair buyout of the Amiga brand. Amiga would not be a lost leader to us or a tax write off, we want it to grow. I urge you the Amiga community, the sane ones to contact Amiga Inc. and demand that they sell the company for a fair price and let the Amiga brand return. Amiga OS 4.0 is done, the SAM board is done, please let the madness end.

We don't want Tao Intent, we don't want DE, we don't want Windows CE development in India. We only want what everyone else wants. The return of Amiga! The CEO of DiscreetFX and myself love the Amiga, it changed the entire computer industry. Please help me to help you. Urge Amiga Inc. sell to us for a fair price. We will end the lawsuit, we will end the fighting., we wil end the madness. If we were in charge Amiga OS 4. 0 would be available today on SAM. Software sells hardware but how can software be developed in the current atmosphere. What would a new and upcoming developer use to develop for Amiga OS 4.0? The CEO of DiscreetFX is very busy trying to finish a movie and does not have the heart to write this kind of letter but I do. The Amiga belongs in the hands of those that love it. Members of the community, people that believed in it from the beginning. People that don't own or love sheep.

I have written too much but I hope my message is clear. Help me help you Amiga community. If you need me or have any questions I can be reached on my private gmail account. It is my name @ gmail.com. Thanks for listening.

Tedd Gallion
DiscreetFX Partners
    

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fairlanefastback 
Re: DiscreetFX Partners Makes an Urgent Appeal to the Amiga
Posted on 25-Sep-2007 3:31:24
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I know you don't do coding. But you are speaking of your management skills. Yet you have not managed this project to fruition. Is the $10,400 plus at least in a nice interest bearing account so the bounty will get bigger over time? My point is perhaps if you can manage to get a major app like Mozilla to OS4 we'd have more reason to listen to your open plea and rally behind you. Show us you are truly "can do" unlike the other guys.

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My point is perhaps if you can manage to get a major app like Mozilla to OS4


Ya know I'm thinking at this point that as part of my 'annoy Kmos' campain, we should call a halt to releasing all OS4 apps. It's one more way to make the IP less attractive to them. Tuck your work away, bring it out when some one who actually cares about and owns the OS. Why finish some thing like amizilla if it just going to benifit the same people who are making us miserable already??

Potential investor/buyer #1 speaking to KMOS...

"Let's see... you have a 12 yearold dated OS, (cause they don't actually have OS4 yet) with no modern apps and no hardware platform to run it on. What's that gonna cost us... 38US dollars should be more than enough right?"

Maybe with enough static A.I.(d) will go the same way as A.I.(w).... insolvent.

Plaz

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lucaricossa 
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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 4:30:20
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> we should call a halt to releasing all OS4 apps.

NOOOOOO this will only hurt the users, not the people at kmos watever. Tey will be glad.

L

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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 4:36:41
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Dear Tedd,

I think you are dreaming.

You said nothing about what you have already tried. Have you approached AI ? What was their response ? You can't make someone sell something they don't want to sell. By taking on the court case AI are investing something. Remember, they started it. Does that sound like the behaviour of someone who wants to sell ?

Amiga Inc stopped listening to the community years ago. Amigans urging AI to sell will have no effect. In fact, inadvertently you are probably raising hopes of the people who are easily led. This is not good and will only lead to disappointment and bad feelings.

If this dream were actually possible, how would you get the backing to sort out the legal mess ? Presumably, you are not sitting on a huge pile of cash. How can you find investors who want to be part of this ? You will lose all your money and it would likely kill your company too. For your own sakes, give this up.

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gary_c 
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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 4:41:25
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What good is an "Urgent Appeal to the Amiga Community"? There is nothing at all the Amiga community can do to help you or the AmigaOS. If you think otherwise, please say what it is.

Like whose said, advertising that you want AmigaOS so bad only makes it harder to get. It's private property and more than one party already wants it. Add DiscreetFX to the bidding, and the price climbs.

Then there is the huge potential for bad feelings when you go public like this and then aren't able to follow through. This pattern practically defines the Amiga market, which is why people are skeptical.

Finally, your list shows DiscreetFX passion for the Amiga, but much more than that is needed to develop and market an "AmigaPhone" -- much deeper pockets and much more technical expertise, in areas that ironically don't have much in common with or benefit from a background in Amiga computing.

People will be skeptical until they know your financial and technical game plan, but if you do have one, you better keep in under wraps along with your plan to acquire the Amiga IP. I think it's better for you and the community if nothing is said until the ink is on the contracts and the products are rolling out of the factory. Just my opinion.

-- gary_c

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Plaz 
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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 4:43:04
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NOOOOOO this will only hurt the users, not the people at kmos watever. Tey will be glad.


Yes it might hurt a bit for a time. But I don't see how Kmos would be glad. If Kmos is trying to sell or profit from the OS and the very people who make it valuable turn their backs, that's not a happy thing.

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nzv58l 
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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 4:59:32
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I kind of like going after their investers. Does anyone know who they really are? Perhaps we A1 owners should start suing AI for intentionally not letting anything get done. Are there any US lawyers on here? I am sure it is pretty plain that they are trying to kill the desktop so they can push their tao stuff. I think us A1 owners have paid a pretty penny for a machine, that was supposed to be the future, but instead they are trying to kill it off. I find it also kind of strange that every A1 in the market was sold pretty quickly. I can not help but think there was some involvement from AI to kill that too. I don't like them any more and I think it is about time we told their investers that we do not like them. I like that even better than the suing idea. Hit them where it hurts.

Let's get Bill Gates to buy it out. Lots of people would buy anything he was involved in. Overnight the Amiga would become a house hold name and would probably be out selling Vista.

I think we should force those responsible out of their positions. They have proven time and time again they do not even know how to write a clear contract that can stay out of court. They have also proven they are incapable of working with partners. They do not even know how to lead the company in the right direction or make proper purchases to make a profitable company. If Microsoft can be sued for monopoly and unfair competition, then we should sue for a lack of even trying to compete.

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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 5:03:01
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Bill tuning in here, I really wish Tedd did not do this. Yes DiscreetFX wants Amiga and yes Tedd put together the financing and investors but I'm not sure how you can buy something someone does not want to sell. I love to keep a positive outlook about this and have patience. If Amiga Inc. screws up big time maybe we will get a bargain. I have learned that in the future I will not keep computers @ DiscreetFX autologged into Amiga sites. Tedd is awesome though, he really means well.


@fairlanefastback

Please speak with Anton on the AmiZilla mailing list, he is the project manager for AmiZilla. The funds are in a interest bearing CD getting 5%+. Not sure what else I can do except donate more to make the contest more appealing. DiscreetFX wants AmiZilla to come out more than anyone.


@gary_c

I Don't think we will put the complete business plan on Amiga forums. After 12 years being skeptical is understandable.


@nzv58l

AmigaOne owners have a right to be angry, they invested a lot of money in the new system. The court case hurting 3rd party application development which is the heart of any operating system.



@Amiga Community

It's going to be another cool Amiga Christmas this year from DiscreetFX. Great give aways coming up very soon.

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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 5:09:18
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oh man this news item is embarrasing... some moderator please remove it, quick!

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nzv58l 
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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 5:30:20
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I would hate to see someone dump all their money into buying the rights to the Amiga only to find out they do not have the money to properly support the platform. Probably best to just hang tight and wait for it to fizzle out. Then buy it on sale later.

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jingof 
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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 5:32:44
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I'd certainly like to see the stalemate ended as well. However, I think AI is going to see the legal case through in the hopes of hitting a homerun and emerging with everything they want. Without a ridiculous offer, I think they wait and see and roll the dice - regardless of what the community might say.

Meanwhile, MorphOS and AROS continue to move forward, unencumbered by any such legal obstacles. The question becomes, if the stalemate continues long enough, at what point do these alternative Amiga-like OS's close the gap enough to start winning converts purely because they are available, and offer a fairly full-featured Amiga experience?

More to the point.. if you are interested primarily in pursuing the mobile market, maybe it would make more sense to bet on a horse that isn't out of the race indefinitely.

For example, why not make the same investment in custom development to bridge the gap between an Amiga alternative OS and AOS4 and make AInc irrelevant. The Amiga community could certainly be a resource in such an endeavor.

More specifically, why not a RedHat model for AROS and sidestep this whole mess completely? I realize AROS is not the first choice of many on this forum, because it still has a ways to go. But with an investment banker behind a RedHat-like model over AROS (and possibly infused with QNX?), a team could be assembled and the gap could be closed very quickly. While Ainc. scabbles over IP, the real Amiga successor could be emerging through a community effort by a community that is sick of waiting for what will never happen.

Just a thought.. although I'm betting it will be an unpopular one

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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 6:35:36
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I'm glad there are people intrested in buying the Amiga IP.
I don't think it will succeed like this and I think DiscreetFX
puts themselves head to head against Hyperion here.
Hyperion wants the Amiga IP too, that's why they are in court right?

But I atleast appriciates what you try to accive and wish you good luck.

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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 7:24:46
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What are you after for? The AmigaOS or the Amiga brandname?

If it is the former, you could instead of begging Amiga Inc. to sell out, invest your money to AROS and become the AmigaWorld-RedHat.

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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 7:28:45
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There's only one way to get the IP.

Talk to Acer. Maybe they are willing to revoke the license from Amiga Inc. for screwing up too much and use it as a tax mechanism.

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@DiscreetFX

Good call, I don't think its worth you persuing Amiga inc at the moment.

1: You don't know who actually Owns Amiga OS4 atm
2: Amiga inc May lose the court case (one can but hope)

If Amiga inc lose the court case what is there left to buy? The Name Amiga? its not worth it. All companies that have had the name amiga which has been connected with the computer has gone under.

So, I sincerely hope that if Hyperion win the court case, they'll stay as Hyperion and not be tempeted to call themselves "Amiga"

Just have a product called Amiga OS.

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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 9:08:39
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I urge you the Amiga community, the sane ones to contact Amiga Inc. and demand that they sell the company for a fair price and let the Amiga brand return


Whilst I applaud your honourable intentions you really are going at this with the utmost of naivety.

There is no way on this earth that AInc. will sell out the brand for anything less than a crazy amount. They paid a stupid amount for it in the first place and ran with a set of business plans that a 3 year old child would have seen as unworkable.

The original investors must feel like total idiots looking at the loss it has been but they seem to want to make it worth even less. Any intelligent investor would have sold the Amiga on to a team of people willing to take the high risks involved (such as yourselves) a long time ago and at least make SOMETHING out of the Amiga investment. Unfortunately you appear to be dealing with people that have never heard of the adage - 'when you're in a hole - stop digging'.

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About the Amizilla bounty, we are back to the problem of no hardware to new users meaning no new coders meaning blahblahblah

If I had an A1 I will try for sure, I not have the coding skills but that $10000 are so tempting :)

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jiyong 
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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 10:13:58
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Well,

We could start a petition, but I have the impression AI will not listen.
Useless effort, unless we can address the judge.

As for the name, well, I also gave up on that. I wouldn't mind buying HyperionOS5, or whatever.
What I'm hoping for is that AI goes bust and DiscreetFX and partners can cherry-pick at a bargain price. But what happens if AI actually goes bust, do the OS4 rights go to Hyperion? How is the relationship between DiscreetFX (and partners) and Hyperion (one could wonder which Hyperion I'm referring to here. Sorry, couldn't resist after browsing through the court materials).

As for the browser, I would put my money on Sputnik, if I hadn't put $50 in the AmiZilla bounty.

Just my 2 cents...

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@DiscreetFX

I think the plan to enter the mobile market is very good, you would get my support. The mobile market is not yet so microsoft driven like the desktop, and the mobile/pda os'es are all suck. OS4 can be a very good competitor on the mobile market. If it would be a success, and some profit gained, it would be possible to support the desktop development too. Not so hardly, but enough to bring it back at least the the level of 1998-2000, when there were still "amiga community".
I think today we can't even call ourselves "community". So much disappointment, so much lack of care... Most of us became a windows/linux/osx user, who visit amiga pages and write comments sometimes.

I think to complete the goal you were talking about, we need to join forces. We need a joint venture of DiscreetFX, Hyperion, ACube.... and I would risk even Genesi, MorphOS team and AROS team. A joint company that can easily eat Amiga Inc. A company that has enough fund, knowhow, developers, hardware designs to make the plans a reality.
SAM440 and Efika2 can be part of one product line (low-end, high-end), both would run OS4 and MOS2.0, and later the two would be merged to "OS5"... and the community would reunite...
Ok, it's time for waking up

The chance this will happen is around zero... Every of these companies have their own business, own plans for the future, own motivation... rarely they will ever unite and make something big together...

But thanks for your effort and for this appeal, it was cool to imagine a better future

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@DiscreetFX

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We don't want Tao Intent, we don't want DE, we don't want Windows CE development in India. We only want what everyone else wants. The return of Amiga! The CEO of DiscreetFX and myself love the Amiga, it changed the entire computer industry. Please help me to help you. Urge Amiga Inc. sell to us for a fair price. We will end the lawsuit, we will end the fighting., we wil end the madness. If we were in charge Amiga OS 4. 0 would be available today on SAM.


Well, it's terribly easy to say that, but there's being content with a hobbyist OS (as it will probably always be) or those who want AmigaOS to be at the forefront of computing technology once again... What would one call, "The return of the Amiga?"

The latter, is obviously a HUGE task and could only be undertaken by a company with plenty of muscle and a clear vision of the product they want to take forward. And of course, there'd be no doubt that they'd need other products to keep that primary aim going.

I think, (to begin with anyway) the original Amiga, Inc. plans to utilise OS4.x and the DE as a combination was a great philosophy - using OS4.x as an effiecient host for the DE and continue a roadmap to 5.0. The Amiverse and all those buzzwords did sound very exciting, I must say. But alas, time has passed and that's old hat now...

At the end of the day we (all of us here) want to see OS4 running on new hardware and our exisiting PPC boards. I'd hardly call it a "return of the Amiga" but we could all just sit down and enjoy using an OS we all admire and love to use.

I think that maybe, that's all that's salvageable.

Steve

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