@MikeB

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This is the problem with many people who think they know a lot, there are plenty of non-PC related example which does not fit their world ideas. Like a pope ordering someone to be burned for claiming the world is not flat or center or the universe.

So you are saying that Lou thinks he knows a lot but does not. And that you know you know a lot?

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @Lou Quote: If a game engine runs on 100MB and the graphics require another 400MB, the PS3 is limited to 256MB, see the problem? Strictly speaking you are wrong, as the GPU can use the XDR Ram if needed (,but usually it's not). Also it's not that big of an issue, the graphics data which require the most Ram are textures, through advanced streaming methods disc storage is more relevant and of course the capacity of Blu-Ray disc is huge. - Name one 360 game with prettier graphics than Uncharted 2? You can't. - Specify which has much graphics RAM, the NeoGeo game system or the Amiga 500. And tell me which games looked better?

It doesn't use XDR because as has been rammed down your throat many times that there is a penalty. When you have to pull external data, there is always a penalty. On the 360, you can front-load more data if the game engine runs in less than 256MB.

As for Uncharted 2's graphics...I'm not familiar with the level/environment design of the game but here's what I know:
-In sprawling open worlds like GTA4, textures have to be scaled back and other shortcuts have to be used like limiting the view distance by introducing curves/turns so that you are not rendering an extremely large environment (and view distance) at any given time while driving...
-In games such that feature smaller enviroments (for instance Resident Evil 4 on the Wii or any sports game on any system where the arena is a fixed and relatively small size) it's easy to maximize details and have all your assets in RAM.

I imagine Uncharted 1/2 is more the latter. Even in this situation, if Uncharted 2 was ported to the 360, it could still most likely run at a faster frame rate if the art assets weren't upgraded to take advantage of the extra available RAM. Streaming from any external source incurs a penalty. Even then the 360 can stream faster off DVD than the PS3 off BluRay and since they both allow HD installs, again that is no advantage for either system there.

As for the Neo Geo and Amiga comparison, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_Geo_(console)
The Neo Geo only have 64k of video RAM (compared to 1MB on Amiga) though it could display more colors and sprites than Amiga, it had to do so in low resolution. It also had a 12Mhz 68000, which is faster than an Amiga 500 so once again having more CPU power does not guarrantee you better looking games WHICH HAS BEEN MY POINT ALL ALONG! The Amiga wins in graphics memory over Neo Geo as does the 360 over PS3.

For the love of whatever you might believe in - buy a clue!

The CELL is a wonderful CPU but it is surrounded by a poor system design when compared to the 360. End of story.

Last edited by Lou on 25-Sep-2009 at 02:35 PM.