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I am going to try that one out later on tonight.

Excellent!

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AWeb and IBrowse both support frames. AWeb even supports iFrames. It must be something else you're looking for.

Bugger! Disregard all this on frames -- the penny has just dropped -- I bet the places I need to use it are coded for MS explorer specials, they have messed up frames for ages. I do not expect that any browser should have to deal with all the stupidies MS produce.

My apologies on this one - should have known!! Navigator use to have the problem with the same thing years ago.

I have a little arexx script that makes use of Ispell, aspell seems to be broken on OS4.

The problem was that it is more than a little awkward, I need to either rework the AREXX, or do something differnet in the shell it runs fine and I get the much needed alternative spellings, but so far under AREXX I just get the replace option. Could not get any GUI running with Ispell at all, but I did get the apsell gui running (but alas not the spellchecker itself.

But thanks for the suggestion and clearing the browser thing up.

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@GregS

Ispell is one of my first ports for AmigaOS4.0
can be found on OS4Depot, it can some time crash your Amiga

ispell sys:my_text.txt

or just type

ispell

and then type in some words to check, I think ispell can be used by other programs by piping the input/output.

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@NutsAboutAmiga
Does your ISpell version have an ARexx port (like the old amiga-ized 68k version on Aminet) or is it a direct port?

@dietmar

direct port from Linux

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@GregS

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I think you may have misunderstood what I meant.

The availability of a decent WP seems to be what's really bugging you. I have seen the odd copy of Wordworth on Ebay, and perhaps some contemporary supplier can get hold of some? (AmigaKit?) Power Computing are listing the Magic Pack software which includes an older version of WW.

As for the browser thing - can you give examples of specific sites that are causing problems in case someone knows a way around the issue / can try it on a different browser, etc.

@NutsAboutAmiga
Ispell is a great asset, my problem is just intergrating it.

When I call it through the AREXX address command for some reason I do not get the alternative spellings which for me is essential. As a shell command it works fine. I ssupect there is a way around it but I have not found that yet.

The little script I wrote simply read the clipboard allowed me to make the changes and paste back in -- other than that one problem it worked a treat - unfortunately it was the onbe problem I could not get around.

If you ever consider a little gui for it, it may well be the basis of a universal spellchecker it seems to have all the necessary features.

I thankyou for your efforts, because it has been a pleasure seeing it in action. My use of a spell chasker is somewaht eccentric, as I usually check paragraphs indivdually and then just try differnt spellings for a word I want but know I cannot spell.

@dietmar
No I was using AREXX to call it as a command, mind you that would be a nice idea.


@Laser

You are right, the WP situation is the bind at the moment. I tried tracking down the owners of Wordsworth and Finalwriter with no luck whatsoever. I was hoping to get permission to onsell (without taking a cut) just so others would have something to work with as well.

In the end I will splash out on Pagestream, but I am not sure their editor will work for my purposes -- but it should.

I am glad I started the thread because I can see now what the browser problem actually is -- not the browser but those pages with MS type frames. I think I might work out something for that by downlading the page.

@all thanks I willl look in at the thread again tomorrow - for me its bed time.

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@GregS
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Ispell is a great asset, my problem is just intergrating it.

For GoldED, I wrote a wrapper which makes the Rexx-enabled ISpell available as shared library, the "spellchk.library". The idea was not so much to get rid of messages but to be able to exchange the spell checking engine and keep low-level ISpell stuff out of the editor. It is also useful to coordinate access to the spell checking engine (the Rexx-enabled ISpell is a global entity, single-threaded, one Rexx port, one configuration). The library is freely available with GoldED, including source code. It can be found in golded:developer/spellchecking/. But it would of course be better to make ISpell itself a library, if only to get rid of message passing overhead.

@GregS

I use AwebPPC as my main browser but it does still have some issues....

eg ... click this LINK and then slick the download option for the big picture (so you can read it)

In the blue bar on the left, under Maintenance you will see a list of options but the two top options are missing... only the buttons are showing ?

The more options I click the more disappear ?

I can still click there to activate that option but the text is missing ??

Crap colours as well... cant seem to alter that... In Firefox its a nice bright blue.

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@GregS
Mandrake has a simple and effective resizing
of windoze partitions, and then, simple and
effective GUI for custom partitioning...just defrag
the windoze disk first, and off you go...about
45 minutes, including 23 minutes to google for
actual users experiences. After partitioning, you
can powerdown, and install other than Mandrake
if you so choose, or for REAL simplicity type

'knoppix26 myconfig=/mnt/hda1'

when booting a knoppix liveCD,

and access your saved linux settings and launch
a modern debian based linux distro, with Mozilla
and OOG @ your disposal...which I am using as
I write this (knoppix 3.7) One can painlessly learn
and utilize linux for almost free...

or Dynebolic is a WindowMaker based distro
which would also perform as above, with a more
musician/graphics oriented linux package...get
1.4 version of dynebolic.

@The_Editor

the same Screenshot

this time using Ibrowse to access the settings of my router.

As before... click the download link for the big piccie.

As you can see, both browsers make a lousy job of the colour scheme

THIS is a grab from my pc using Firefox... Showing how its supposed to look.

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As you can see, both browsers make a lousy job of the colour scheme

No CSS rendering. I bet your page has a defined stale for hrefs, like

a{
color:#ffffff;
font-decoration:none;
}

There's no Amiga browser capable to do it.

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@dietmar
This is great:
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For GoldED, I wrote a wrapper which makes the Rexx-enabled ISpell available as shared library, the "spellchk.library". The idea was not so much to get rid of messages but to be able to exchange the spell checking engine and keep low-level ISpell stuff out of the editor. It is also useful to coordinate access to the spell checking engine (the Rexx-enabled ISpell is a global entity, single-threaded, one Rexx port, one configuration). The library is freely available with GoldED, including source code. It can be found in golded:developer/spellchecking/. But it would of course be better to make ISpell itself a library, if only to get rid of message passing overhead.

Best news I could have at the moment.

Could I suggest to you, that it might be a really good thing to put on OS4 Depot, I am sure oither people are in my position.

I only wish we had a micro payments system so things like this can be paid for in very small amounts so that you and other developers could know tangibly how much your work is apprioeiciated.

I have not looked at the script yet (I will have to track it down) but from what you are saying it looks just the trick. -- thanks.

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@dietmar and @all

I have just downloaded a demo of GoldEd. I had done so previously, funny how looking at something from a slightly different angel helps.

At first I saw it as yet another line editor (which it is) but I looked past a lot of features that make it a line editor with bells on. I am tracking down somewhere to but a copy now - I have got intrigued.

As I stated, and through a process of elimination now found out, I really need a WP, but playing with GoldEd changed my mind on this.

I still don't need a line editor, but the functionality is there to create a real writing processor (text editors are really only another word for line editors).

I'll need to play around with it, for instance it line wraps like every line editor (badly), but it also has a fast paragraph formattor, if I can get that to be event triggered -- bingo it works perfectly to present visually consistant paragraphs.

Spaces between the paragraphs actually don't have to be spaces, maybe something in the syntax will allow a nice visual way of separating these. Numbering is a better solution when really writing for instance.

In short, that hole may be plugged. GoldEd out of the box is not a substitute for a WP, but it is incresasingly looking that GoldEd with a few additives might actually give us something better than a WP a Writing Processor.

Of course there may be more problems than I anticipate, but this may work out better than I could hope for.

If it all works GoldED would be the place you write and say pagestream where that is made print perfect. That would not only plug the gap but for a variety of reasons may be a long term better solution than traditional Word Processing.

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@The_Editor

This the New, Visited and Selected link colors in Settings->Browser->Colours.
I think you have a blue colour that 'disappears' in that menu in the Visited link setting.

It should be set with css, I guess, but we know about that already now...

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@GregS
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Could I suggest to you, that it might be a really good thing to put on OS4 Depot

It's useless for OS4 because it needs an ISpell with Rexx port. That exists only for 68k (Jesper Skov's port). Hence my question to NutsAboutAmiga if his OS4 ISpell port was Rexx-enabled. The best solution to spellchecking would be to make ISpell a shared library. But its source code probably is not library/thread-safe. Never looked at it though. The second-best solution in that case would be to add a Rexx port.

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I still don't need a line editor, but the functionality is there to create a real writing processor (text editors are really only another word for line editors).

Glad you like but I'm afraid it is not very useful as writing processor. Adding LF-terminated paragraphs would require a formatting-for-screen level between the internal representation, which is LF-terminated text, and representation on screen as paragraphs. Possible, complicated, don't see the demand for it.

Anyway, if the formatting and word-wrapping kludges in GoldED work for you: there is a NOLF option for the SAVE command that lets you save text for word processors (paragraphs LF-terminated, otherwise no linefeeds). You could add a command like "Export with pragraphs..." to the menu and bind the command SAVE ALL ASK NOLF to it.

@dietmar

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Glad you like but I'm afraid it is not very useful as writing processor.

Well it was not written as one, of course my kludges may not in the end work, but of all the ones I have fiddled with so far yours certianly has the most useful features for that use.

As you probably might have gathered while I think we need a WP, I don't like them, they are really not designed for writing but for printing.

There might not yet be much call for a writer's environment, but believe me there are plenty of professional writers feed up to the backteeth with the current WPs on MS, while writing in XML (which is where everything will go eventually) the editors are too primitive (techy) to use well.

When writing you want nothing to interfere with the transfer of thoughts to words, you do need some visual prompts but what is really needed is a lot of the line editing features for navigation and multiple windows etc.,.

The line feed thing may or may not be a hurdle, filtering text once it is written and proofed substitution is actually no big deal.

I will buy a copy soon so the spellcheck thing should not be a problem for me personally -- in general speaking as an AOS4 user, we really need something universal, versitale and easy to use in this area (I actually want a bit of a little beast, with GREP options, find and replace, spellcheck, thesaurus all within one GUI - a kind of "there is the text now do this to it" device -- but thats just dreaming at the moment ; ).

Dietmar thanks for your posts. As soon as I get my finances healthy I will get a copy, it looks a lot of fun.

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@dietmar

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It's useless for OS4 because it needs an ISpell with Rexx port.

AmigaOS do not support ISpell, and Rexx port don't exist in the Linux version, yet they managed to use ispell in kedit,

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That exists only for 68k (Jesper Skov's port). Hence my question to NutsAboutAmiga if his OS4 Ispell port was Rexx-enabled. The best solution to spell-checking would be to make ISpell a shared library. But its source code probably is not library/thread-safe.

Ispell is designed as an shell command not library, and rewriting the thing as library will make source code harder to update if ever a new version comes along, and I never made a library for any os, so I don't know how to do it, Ispell is open source and the source code is provided whit the binary, you need to cross compile, as makefile uses Unix/Linux shell commands,

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Never looked at it though. The second-best solution in that case would be to add a Rexx port.

I did the port by making a dummy_amiga file you that contains functions that emulates Linux terminal command, rewriting it for a library will require allot more work, and I'm working on some thing else now.

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@GregS

I think Hyperion have the rights to port Real3D which would be a great help. I wonder how slowly you can build momentum?

I take it development for such large apps will take time and I hope that this time isn't so long that people loose interest altogether. You are right in that we certainly need them very quickly!

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