@Hammer

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Hammer wrote: Quote: OneTimer1 wrote: Amiga is a total different and independent brand name. It was more like "Commodore Amiga" or "Commodore PET" That doesn't negate Commodore-Amiga Inc's Amiga custom chipset heritage.

Correct and none of this hardware is a part of trademarks acquired by Perifractic

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[quote] Hammer wrote: AmigaDOS was lifted from TRIPOS. TRIPOS refers to the ...

Correct and none of this software is a part of trademarks acquired by Perifractic

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I don't care about amiga graphics hardware because my first Amiga was 1200
and I started from 256 colors on Amiga.
chunky all the way, never use bitplanes

I also use C so don't care about 68k

so I use Amiga PPC because it works like my old 1200 but better because 1000 times faster

I have nothing against amiga like os on x86 but it have to be compatible and on at least Win XP level

I have nothing against amiga like os on arm it have to be compatible and on at least Androd 5 level

I'm not interested in half made shits like pistorm/emu68

@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote: I don't care about amiga graphics hardware ...

That's totally fine because Perifractic didn't bought it

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so I use Amiga PPC because it works like my old 1200 ...

Amiga and PPC are currently not a part of the "Let's Buy Commodore" Project maybe you should open your own thread.

@ppcamiga1

on A1200, you mentioned to be your first amiga, you had no chunky graphics, only AGA chipset. And C is a high-level language you can compile in anything that is supported, even 68k

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@OneTimer1

he is always on his crusade against the whole shit that is not PPC ;)

@OneTimer1

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OneTimer1 wrote: @Hammer Amiga is a total different and independent brand name. It was more like "Commodore Amiga" or "Commodore PET"

I was referring to the Amiga's chipset from Amiga Corporation (Hi-Torro) and Commodore-Amiga Inc.

Again, the statement is "AmigaNONE is NO hardware legacy with Amiga hardware."

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@OneTimer1

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OneTimer1 wrote: Correct and none of this hardware is a part of trademarks acquired by Perifractic Correct and none of this software is a part of trademarks acquired by Perifractic

That's NOT context for my post:

From https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=45508&forum=16&start=300&viewmode=flat&order=0#880456

ppcamiga1: pistorm with is worth nothing shit that changes amiga into keyboard interface for rpi

Hammer: AmigaNONE is no hardware legacy with Commodore's Amiga hardware.

Try again.

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@Hammer

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Hammer wrote: That's NOT context for my post: From https://amigawo... Try again.

OK: AmigaNONE or Commodore's hardware legacy are not part of the "Let's Buy Commodore" Project


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Hammer wrote: I was referring to the Amiga's chipset from Amiga Corporation (Hi-Torro) and Commodore-Amiga Inc.

Chipsets, Hi-Torro or any Amiga related hardware or brand name are not part of the "Let's Buy Commodore" Project

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@OneTimer1

IMHO Amiga could keep existing as a separated entity from Commodore, as it originally was. If the HiToro team would have had enough finances, they would (maybe) never have been part of Commodore.

@Amigo1

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Amigo1 wrote: @OneTimer1 IMHO Amiga could keep existing as a separated entity from Commodore, as it originally was. If the HiToro team would have had enough finances, they would (maybe) never have been part of Commodore.

Yes and as long as Perifractic doesn't invest another six-figure sum to those possible name right holders, nothing will change this.

@OneTimer1

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Yes and as long as Perifractic doesn't invest another six-figure sum to those possible name right holders, nothing will change this.

For the love of God, its not even good to think about it! I hope it never crosses his mind to buy Hyperion!!

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@pixie

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pixie wrote: @OneTimer1 Quote: Yes and as long as Perifractic doesn't invest another six-figure sum to those possible name right holders, nothing will change this. For the love of Fod, itsynot even good to think about it! I hope it never crosses his mind to buy Hyperion!!

I believe it would be good for the brand name Amiga but Hyperion will always ask for more than they will be offered and/or make some phony contracts. And there are Amigakit/Aeon and Cloanto/AmigaCorp who have some right to use it.

And none of them will give away this rights for free.

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@OlafS25

herr szonwejs stop trolling start working on zune

pixie Quote:

For the love of Fod, itsynot even good to think about it! I hope it never crosses his mind to buy Hyperion!!

Hyperion is an empty husk. It only has value to two people.

1. Trevor and his businesses own most of the Hyperion assets now but keeping Hyperion alive is the safest to maintain the 2009 settlement agreement. A large court judgement against Hyperion allows Trevor to let Hyperion go bankrupt while he owns the assets.

2. Mike and his businesses may consider buying Hyperion to make the lawsuits go away and to get out from under the 2009 settlement agreement. However, the large debt and lack of AmigaOS 4 assets makes this unlikely.

Value of Hyperion for Amiga Corporation
cost of continuing lawsuits with Hyperion
+ remaining Hyperion owned AmigaOS assets (likely not much)
- Hyperion debt
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approximate max value of Hyperion for Amiga Corporation

Value of Hyperion for Commodore International Corporation
remaining Hyperion owned AmigaOS assets (likely not much)
- Hyperion debt
---
approximate max value of Hyperion for Commodore International Corporation

Hyperion is not appealing to Amiga Corporation because of the large debt and is less so to Commodore. Furthermore, Commodore performing due diligence like RGL will likely show the same result which is that Hyperion owns few Amiga IP assets and is in danger of losing licensed Amiga IP assets do to the liberal interpretation of the 2009 settlement agreement. It is better to ally with the owner of the Amiga IP assets and likely winner of the lawsuits as RGL has done and they are experts at retro licensing.

Trevor has gutted Hyperion's assets and left debt which discourages a Hyperion buyout. The remaining Hyperion husk has been paying down debt though. The problem is that assets can be used as loan collateral and reducing them reduces the amount Hyperion can borrow. Banks also look at capacity for loans which is based on profit. Hyperion had another miraculous financial recovery in 2024 pivoting from a 10,102 € loss in 2023 to a 2,408 € gain in 2024. With just a 2,408 € gain in 2024, they retired 28,666 € of debt possible because of a non-recurring operating income of 78,281 €. A non-recurring operating income is usually not sustainable though.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/nonrecurring-gain-or-loss.asp Quote:

What Is a Nonrecurring Gain or Loss? A nonrecurring gain or loss is a one-off, highly infrequent profit or charge not arising from a company’s normal course of business operations. These one-time items are reported separately in a corporation's income statement—net of income taxes—and are excluded from earnings per share (EPS) calculations.

Hyperion may try to argue that non-recurring operating income is common in their industry as they also had a 77,201 € non-recurring operating income in 2022. The bank is likely to ask what or who the source of the non-recurring operating income is as it is often listed with financial data here in the US, especially when it is large and makes such a huge difference for Hyperion's finances. Whether Hyperion had to reveal their source of the non-recurring operating income to the bank or not, it is likely still considered not sustainable and thus they have had to reduce their debt using this "mysterious" non-recurring operating income. It is not that a benefactor with deep pockets wants to pay down their debt but likely has to to keep the empty husk alive for litigation and 2009 settlement agreement sustainment purposes. The banks are correct in the lack of sustainability of the non-recurring operating income and their requirement to have the loans paid back ASAP. When the lawsuit is lost and the 2009 settlement agreement disappears, the rich benefactor and non-recurring operating income will likely disappear forever and Hyperion with it as the value to another individual and his businesses would be exhausted. It is disgusting that likely hundreds of thousands of € per year are still being wasted protecting noncompetitive non-Amiga hardware rather than investing in competitive Amiga hardware.

Hyperion finance sources are from the following link.

Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=43330&forum=16&start=560&viewmode=flat&order=0#880131

OneTimer1 Quote:

I believe it would be good for the brand name Amiga but Hyperion will always ask for more than they will be offered and/or make some phony contracts. And there are Amigakit/Aeon and Cloanto/AmigaCorp who have some right to use it. And none of them will give away this rights for free.

Hyperion are the ultimate in enabled con men. This is what happens when catching a con man in embezzlement and bank fraud and instead of turning him in you blackmail him to do your dirty work. It should have been realized that the con man is incompetent and his bold but arrogant schemes usually fail. When an empire of businesses is based on such con men, it is just a matter of time until it crumbles. The writing is already on the wall and it speaks of their destruction unless they repent and change their ways.

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@Hammer

pistorm is worth nothing shit that changes amiga into kb interface for rpi
it is dumb to waste money on this shit when one may buy kb and mouse for rpi below 10 Euro

stop trollin and start working on something worth of use on arm

@matthey

stop this crap
provide cheap 68k hardware as good as 30 years old pc from win95 era or get lost

@ppcamiga1

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stop trolling start working on zune

You are the only one who is trolling here.

@ppcamiga1

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pistorm is worth nothing shit that changes amiga into kb interface for rpi

That's a lie and you are the liar. But you know that.

@matthey

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Hyperion is an empty husk. It only has value to two people.

Hyperion has the rights to further development of AmigaOS. If you think that's only of value to two people...

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Hyperion are the ultimate in enabled con men.

Hyperion produced AmigaOS 3.1.4, 3.2, 3.21, 3.22 and 3.23 (released on 2 Apr 2025). If that's the ultimate con...

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It is disgusting that likely hundreds of thousands of € per year are still being wasted protecting noncompetitive non-Amiga hardware rather than investing in competitive Amiga hardware.

What are you referring to here?

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Hyperion has the rights to further development of AmigaOS. If you think that's only of value to two people...

If the 2009 Amiga Inc v Hyperion VOF settlement agreement is legal, for example not coerced under financial duress, and the 68k Hyperion AmigaOS can be considered AmigaOS 4 or a new architecture is used which can not be called "Amiga" and would likely require renegotiating AmigaOS 4 developer contracts and Trevor/A-Eon owned contracts for other architectures other than PPC to be called "AmigaOne", then Hyperion may have a license to develop the AmigaOS. Ben claims Hyperion has the right to use "Amiga" as it is implied by "Hyperion’s exclusive license to use the marks AmigaOS, Amiga OS, AmigaOne, and Amiga One", that all versions of AmigaOS are practically the same "subsumed within the Software" so he can use any version, that AmigaOS/Kickstart 1.3 is required to use AmigaOS 3.1 and that Hyperion has a license to further develop the 68k AmigaOS because it is AmigaOS 4. There are some big lies used to justify potential license violations Hyperion has already performed, with in my opinion, only the last claim potentially having some validity as read. However, I have doubts that was the intention when written, with AmigaOS 3.9 leaving little room between AmigaOS 3.9 and AmigaOS 4 which Hyperion solved by introducing a version before the last official version of the AmigaOS. Realistically, legally further developing the AmigaOS with the 2009 settlement agreement is difficult. Further developing the 68k AmigaOS may be possible after Hyperion pays Amiga Corporation hundreds of thousands of Euros for Amiga IP violations while not developing PPC AmigaOS 4 for the Mirari board has shown how difficult it is to continue even on PPC and there are more obstacles on another architecture.

The following is a link by me covering Ben's big lies with futher links to Ben's actual absurd claims.

The "Let's Buy Commodore" Project
https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=45508&forum=16&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#879897

Honestly, do you believe Ben's claims in the lawsuit?

bhabbott Quote:

Hyperion produced AmigaOS 3.1.4, 3.2, 3.21, 3.22 and 3.23 (released on 2 Apr 2025). If that's the ultimate con...

Hyperion had very high profit margins by not paying 68k AmigaOS developers. Furthermore, Ben's big lies about Amiga IP are required to make the 68k AmigaOS releases legal. Not only is Ben's interpretation of the Amiga IP liberal but Ben used the disputed licensed Amiga IP without an understanding of the meaning. The 68k AmigaOS profits were obviously used to sue the Amiga Parties to drain them of funds and to try to trigger the insolvency clause which allows Hyperion to take ownership of some licensed Amiga IP.

https://sites.google.com/site/amigadocuments/hyperion-entertainment-vs-amiga-2 Quote:

When it already was in this status, Hyperion Entertainment met with Cloanto at the Amiga32 event in Neuss (Germany), and reportedly threatened various legal actions. In spite of the non-aggression clauses of the 2009 Settlement Agreement, and in spite of not being duly registered in the Belgian Corporate Register and thus not meeting the criteria to file a lawsuit, in March 2018 Hyperion Entertainment started a new series of lawsuits against the Amiga Parties (Amiga, Amino and ITEC, which had not been involved in any hostilities since the end of the first legal case) and Cloanto (which had filed a complaint in 2017). The apparent reason for this second attack against Amiga was the intent to trigger a "catch all" clause which would make Hyperion Entertainment the owner, rather than a mere licensee, of Amiga's operating system and trademark assets. As news commenter "Watcher" noted, "This seems to be the only logical reason why Hyperion Entertainment CVBA sued all three Amiga parties (Amiga, Amino, ITEC) in March 2018. There was no logical explanation other than the fact that Hyperion wanted to cause a default of at least one of them and thereby trigger this clause."

Indeed, the new Hyperion lawsuit tries to claim ownership of the licensed Amiga IP, "entitling Hyperion to foreclose on the Collateral".

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.256770/gov.uscourts.wawd.256770.7.0.pdf Quote:

76. By allegedly selling rights in U.S. Copyright TX0003282574 to Cloanto, in view of Cloanto’s allegation that its rights thereto now prohibit Hyperion’s rights to fully enjoy its rights granted in the Software, the Amiga Parties are in default under the terms of the Settlement Agreement, entitling Hyperion to foreclose on the Collateral. ... 101. The material breach by the Amiga Parties has deprived Plaintiff of valuable rights conferred by its license in the Exclusively Licensed marks and the Software, which rights may only be recovered by providing the remedy of specific performance of allowing Plaintiff to foreclose on the Collateral. 102. In the New York Action, Cloanto alleges that its acquisition of copyright rights in the TX0003282574 Copyright Registration gives Cloanto certain rights, which Cloanto has interpreted as including the right to prohibit Hyperion from fully exploiting the Software in which Hyperion has an exclusive license. If this allegation is found to be true, Cloanto’s acquisition of copyright rights in the TX0003282574 Copyright Registration constitutes an acquisition under Section 15 of the Agreement. Because Cloanto has not tendered to Hyperion an Exhibit 3 Undertaking, the Amiga Parties are in default, thereby entitling Plaintiff to foreclose on the Collateral. ... 123. Pursuant to the material breach of the Settlement Agreement and/or default by the Amiga Parties, Hyperion is entitled to collect the Collateral under the Settlement Agreement, including, sole ownership of the AMIGAONE, AMIGAOS or the Boing Ball Mark. ... 131. Even if the Amiga Parties are found to be in breach of the Settlement Agreement or in default such that Hyperion can collect ownership of the Collateral, including the marks AmigaOS, Amiga OS, AmigaOne, and Amiga One; at most, the Amiga Parties may still retain rights in the AMIGA mark by virtue of Cloanto and others having used AMIGA under license, such use inuring to the benefit of the licensor. ... PRAYER FOR RELIEF ... F. A judgment that Plaintiff is the rightful owner of the Collateral identified in the Settlement Agreement, including the Software and the AmigaOne, AmigaOS, Amiga One, Amiga OS, and Boing Ball Logo marks; Alternatively, a judgment that Plaintiff possesses an attached security interest in the Collateral; Alternatively a judgment that Plaintiff possesses an attached

Of course these claims are absurd also. There has to be evidence of an insolvent Amiga Party business to claim ownership of the Collateral which there is none. Cloanto as an Amiga IP licensee has at least as much right to register Amiga IP trademarks which it is using and likely has more rights as its license is grandfathered in ahead of Hyperion's license and registering Amiga IP is one of the few forbidden acts by Hyperion in the 2009 settlement agreement and is likely considered challenging ownership in violation of the 2009 settlement agreement. Ben wrote the 2009 settlement agreement with the whole absurd "collateral" transferring to Hyperion if an Amiga Party business became insolvent and this absurd requirement of the Amiga IP owner is evidence of a coerced under duress 2009 settlement agreement and that Ben is a con man for not only writing it in, coercing the Amiga Parties to sign it but then trying to trigger it by suing all Amiga Parties and claiming it even though there is no evidence of an insolvent Amiga Party business.

bhabbott Quote:

What are you referring to here?

Remember in school when some kids with wealthy parents received an allowance? Where do you think this "mysterious" 78,281 € non-recurring operating income came from that not only kept Hyperion alive but allowed them to retire 28,666 € of debt with only a 2,408 € profit? Would you believe this is not the first time either as in 2022, with a 4,049 € loss, Hyperion retired 12,780 € of debt allowed by a non-recurring operating income of 77,201 € ? Perhaps earlier accounting anomalies were not recorded as "non-recurring operating income" but perhaps the "allowance" was not as suspicious this way?