@DrBombcrater

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There won't be any immediate impact. But the chance of getting any help with future GPUs will be much reduced, and anyway AMD is bound to push synergy between its GPU and CPU designs as much as possible so there may not even be a practical way of using future GPUs on non-x86 platforms.

Support for non-X86 is possible via Hypertransport (socket and slot) i.e.

[PPC 970]
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[CPC945]
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[ATI RD580] ------ dual 16X PCI-E
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x

There’s no hostility between AMD and IBM e.g.
1. AMD "Yamato" (Turion X2) laptop reference jointly development between AMD and IBM (Japan).
2. Joint AMD/IBM process technology R&D.
3. IBM's support for Hypertransport.

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@Helge

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Helge wrote: @Hammer Thanks for the link So to understand, AMD might have some excellent southbridges, and having this AMD/ATI-colloboration would simply allow for new excellent southbridges for the future

IIRC was there some rumors about a future AMD PowerPC processor... now that would make it a bit more interesting

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@hnl_dk

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This should make no change... the ATI GPUs in the AmigaOnes have nothing to do with the CPU. The new AMD/ATI will/should still sell GPUs... it would be very crazy if they would not want to make the profit

AMD's Hector Ruiz has stated that AMD wouldn't stop Intel or any customer in purchasing AMD/ATI products. Unlike Intel(1), AMD plans to keep open the Hypertransport interfaces without have to purchase AMD/ATI logic chips(1).

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@olegil

To be a pain in IBM/Freescale's #### and to keep their propiertary developments confidental? I hope you will be right and not me.

I do hope that SNAP will be the appropiate answer from our side.

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@nine

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What documentation? Next to none is available anyway.

You could get documentation if you approach them, while nVidia refuses any cooperation.

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@Leo



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@SoundSquare: I of course meant "(Gfx) boards used in the NG Amigas"...

opps ! you're right ! sorry

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@DrBombcrater

In http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2157
ATI's (via MIPS+GPU based products) relationship with Nokia would benefit AMD.
ATI's Imageon processors would probably target Microsoft's Zune (iPod clone).

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@The_Editor

If you already bought a PCIe graphics card based on me speculating on maybe doing something with PCIe then you're more gullible than even Amiga Inc hoped to believe

And I was just in while Safir was down. So cya next time Safir is down

But seriously, it's not going very fast. Basically every time I read an Amiga forum for more than ten minutes I loose a day worth of inspiration. The amounts of bitching, whining and downright ugliness towards anyone who dares put a days work into this hobby makes me think that (to quote the excellent series Jeremiah): "We're so completely ####ed I don't even think there's a NAME for that level of ####osity".

So either hope for a product, or hope for my return to AW.net. Both aren't gonna happen.

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@Helge

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. Would this mean that Amiga would have to look for another graphic solution, or simply go for AMD CPUs instead?

AMD isn't going to limit ATI chips to systems with AMD CPUs. They'd be nuts to tell Dell to go screw themselves and refuse to sell Radeons until Dell uses AMD CPUs in its consumer products...

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@olegil



No .. I'm not Quite] that stupid. I upgraded the graphics card in the pc and now that X700 is lying redundant in its box.


If you have an aversion to AW (the bitching has been getting somewhat tiresome lately) then post in 3cags code section (if Safir is down).


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@hnl_dk

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but maybe this will result in AMD Macs instead of Intel Macs... as the Intel Macs are using ATI

nah, more like Intel/Nvidia Macs.

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@DrBombcrater

I was just about to post it again. Didn't see this thread.

@billt

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AMD isn't going to limit ATI chips to systems with AMD CPUs. They'd be nuts to tell Dell to go screw themselves and refuse to sell Radeons until Dell uses AMD CPUs in its consumer products...

You're right AMD isn't Intel IS! It appears Intel maybe cancelling all of it's contracts w/ ATI.

This article from ARS Technica points out the possibiltiy of a dual-core CPU/GPU combination chip.

@olegil

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And I was just in while Safir was down. So cya next time Safir is down

So that was the reason

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@billt

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AMD isn't going to limit ATI chips to systems with AMD CPUs. They'd be nuts to tell Dell to go screw themselves and refuse to sell Radeons until Dell uses AMD CPUs in its consumer products...

But that is exactly what will happen. And AMD/ATI knows it. They even expect to loose customers in the intel market.


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We may lose business on Intel boards, but we will break the Intel monopoly." With these words, AMD's CFO Bob Rivet announced the takeover of graphics chip maker, ATI, offering a future of joined-up shared processing, split between CPU and GPU

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/24/amd_etc/

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@Hammer

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Support for non-X86 is possible via Hypertransport (socket and slot) i.e.

Hm, I like the idea to have a AMD x2+X1600 core as a graphics accelerator attached to my 970MP board


Actually, what I really would like to see, is a CELL with integrated NV graphic chip. That would be cool.

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@Rachy

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You could get documentation if you approach them, while nVidia refuses any cooperation.

You are quite right, but most of it is shrouded by NDA, and I'm told you cannot get the documentation for the latest one or two generations of GPU.

AMD buying ATI can only be a good thing. With any luck they'll beat some sense into them and start releasing more documentation on the GPUs.

@Trhead

So after all the industry seems to go back to the eightees/nineties when every computer seller have their own cpu/GFX chip/motherboard design/OS.This GPU/CPU dual core sound to me like the custom chips

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@Jorge

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Hm, I like the idea to have a AMD x2+X1600 core as a graphics accelerator attached to my 970MP board

One could link it with NV's nForce5 but it would increase motherboard’s power consumption by another 30 watts.

CPC945 12W** + NV nForce5 30W ~= 42Watts
CPC945 12W** + ATI RD580 8W* ~= 20Watts

*max TDP..
**at power saving mode.

The candidate shader model for "AMD Accelerator" would be "unified shader" units (geometry, vertex, pixel) i.e. somewhat similar to XBOX 360 but with wider IPC OOOE CPU cores and full speed L2 cache.

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Actually, what I really would like to see, is a CELL with integrated NV graphic chip. That would be cool.

Code based for Cell+G71 would be bias towards in-order instruction stream and towards single precision 32bit floating point i.e. an unbalance scenario.

Both Intel and AMD have stated Cell is a good idea but poorly executed i.e. it should have a strong multi-core task centric based processor (OOOE processors) and multi-core strong data centric processor (Array processors).

Note that quad-core K8L has 8 "K8" FPUs i.e. each K8L core has 2X K8 FPU set (note the second copy of K8 FPU set in K8L photos).

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