@Dirk-B

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Why are you guys making decisions for other people?

How is that possible? Of course every person makes his/her own decisions, so we agree about that. All I'm doing is expressing my own opinion, and people can agree or disagree with it. I respect others' rights to voice their opinions; this includes the opinions of bbrv, and if they are trying to persuade people to their way of thinking, well, judge the merits of their arguments. I agree with what some have said that if these arguments are unclear, people should ask for and expect to get clarification.

I also believe in equal treatment and look forward to every hardware group providing the same disclosure and being subjected to the same level of scrutiny.

-- gary_c

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@Dirk-B

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Remember, one of the most importend things to choose Eyetech over phase5/bplan was the user-support. Afther that decision they filled that gap in with a MOS-version and where putting all the user-support-pressure on the MOS-devs. Nice trick that one.

What the f.....ish are you talking about ???

I think there are a few things that are crystal clear:
- Eyetech's user-support sucked, actually it sucked so bad one would need a new word for it
- Eyetech never had any user-support regarding OS4 (how should they when it's not their product)
- bPlan has an excelent user-support when it comes to their HW
- Whatever user-support has to be delivered for whatever OS has to be done by those responsible for that OS

I really don't understand why some people have to repeat yesteryears brainfarts on this again and again.



!!! warning what follows could turn into a rather long rant !!!


I find it rather odd that after years and years of lies, scams and BS there are still people you would just believe 5-7 new mobos appearing within a month or so.

Specially when two of the producers have allready more than prooven that their announcments should only be judged by their entertainment-value, and a 3rd one managing to bring it credibility to liquid-nitrogen-levels (far beyond zero that is) before they are even known. Wether that stupidity by a AW-net-pseudo-celebrity was authorized is another question, but I know if I had been involved in such a project I would have kicked the lunatic's virtual butt....


So much for rant phase I

Up to the next ......

All these projects are still at a prototype stage (some probraly not even that), and it doesn't take much to guess how long it will take since they can actually bought of shelf at Vesalia&Co. One just has to look at those few similar complicated projects that actually made it in the past years to get a clue.
And then there is "the licence", the 1st and simplest question to be asked and answered, but sofar noone has actually answered it and I doubt thats without reason. Sure some will claim that they allready have a (verbal) agreement with AInc and are only waiting for the paperworks. Something that should sound way too familiar to the MorphOS-team, H&P, AHT and whoknowselse.


O.k. lets call it quits on phase II

And start phase III

Lets assume all these projects make it, what effect will they have ? Well lets look at other attempts to do lifesupport for dying OSes by HW.

- CPC6128Plus
- Hades (Atari-TOS)
- Milan (Atari-TOS)
- IYONIX (RISC-OS)
- Draco
- C-One
- Super-CPU (C64)
- BPPC/CSPPC
- Walker
- AOne
- BoXeR
(list could be continued)

O.k. all these have either failed to deliever or didn't reach their goal (stableising the communities). Some managed to strech the dying-process, other were only aimed to existing users/fans. All have a few things in common, they have/had a horrible bang/buck rate compared to mainstream-HW produced in the same timeframe. Most of them had either quality or support problems, some even both. All were hard to get and never appeared on the radar of the broader public or corporates.

Now that other list ..... mmm actually not much of a list since there aren't really many success stories of revitalizing an OS by HW.....

- Apple on x86

O.k. lots of cash, lot's of current users and a HW which is good in all major aspects. This is how it should be done.

But didn't I miss something ? You know the HW with the red bull ähhh flying horse that is ....

Where would the Pegasos fit in ? I would say somewhere inbetween, but sliding more and more towards the 1st list I'm afraid.

It does have the quality, it does have support, it's price is within reasonable ranges and it's even a known word in parts of the industry (some of them even activly advertizing it). The only problem is the performance which is at a stand-still for years, which means it's sliding backwards in the eyes of the broader public.

Conclusion:

If all you want is soemthing similar than what the ones on the 1st list delivered you might be happy with a a PowerVixxen or Samantha, but if your really serious about bringing Amiga back from the dead you'll need something that can beat bPlan's Pegasos in ALL aspects.

Last edited by Kronos on 06-Sep-2006 at 09:20 AM.

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@Dirk-B

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Dirk-B wrote: Remember, one of the most importend things to choose Eyetech over phase5/bplan was the user-support.

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War is Peace. Eyetech's User Support For "AmigaOnes" Was Remotely Satisfactory.

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Well, its up to the people themself to choose the path they want to go and everybody is free to make there own decisions. But you can not force them, that will not work.

Right.
People made their own decisions, voted with their wallets, and consequently the "AmigaOnes" and the hardware licensing scheme failed as predicted. You can not force everyone wanting to buy AmigaOS into buying "Amiga" hardware. You can not force hardware vendors into buying a licence. It is up to the Seller (AInc/Hyperion) to try to please as many Buyers (us) as possible. Only being able to please the few who will swallow a bitter pill without being forced will never suffice.

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