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@OneTimer1

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I thought Hyperion had only object files.

No, Hyperion had only object code licences, but they (Hermans, Olsen, some of the other senior devs who had already worked on 3.5/3.9) convinced everybody that one central repository for all the code would be a good thing: "Don't worry, the code will of course still be yours".

There are both technical and emotional ("AmigaOS!") reasons for putting all code into a central repository. Nobody expected Hyperions management to be a bunch of hardened criminals, so people went along with it.

20 Years later, an OS3 dev throws a hissy fit and leaves, because the "new" management won't allow him to keep raping other developers' rights. Only Amiga makes it possible.

@eliyahu

Hopefully a start to end the damn law suits

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@klx300r

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Hopefully a start to end the damn law suits

I might be able to help address part of this.

But we need to take a trip back to March, 2023.

from thread summarizing the Washington State case

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If I understood this correctly: - The Amiga Parties - who maybe could have sued Hyperion - are not Cloanto. And Cloanto were previously tossed out of this argument. - C.A. Acquisition maybe *is* the equivalent of the Amiga Parties (by buying their property and rights) - but weren't allowed to join this argument?

And in perhaps simpler form:
same thread

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wrong company was suing

Now go here:
CURRENT Amiga Corporation statement

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The chapter involving Cloanto, ITEC, Amino and KMOS has been closed. On that basis, Amiga and Hyperion Entertainment are engaged in renewed settlement discussions

Anyone out there. Feel free to prove me wrong but...
The remaining issue in the Washington State case stated top of this posting is "closed".

So more like a finish than a start to end, right?

Make no mistake there is much to do, but this certainly seems like a significantly more important step/topic than anyone is giving credit to.

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cgutjahr wrote: Hyperion had only object code licences, but they (Hermans, Olsen, some of the other senior devs who had already worked on 3.5/3.9) convinced everybody that one central repository for all the code would be a good thing: "Don't worry, the code will of course still be yours". Nobody expected Hyperions management to be a bunch of hardened criminals, so people went along with it. 20 Years later, an OS3 dev throws a hissy fit and leaves, because the "new" management won't allow him to keep raping other developers' rights.

ELOQUENTLY PUT, FRIEND CGUTJAHR.
Eloquently put.


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@number6

From https://xcancel.com/AmigaCorp/status/2036048839770362170#m
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It is also agreed that Retro Games may release certain Amiga-branded products, and that Hyperion Entertainment may offer "AmigaOS 3.2" digital upgrades under a temporary arrangement intended to preserve continuity for the community while those discussions continue.

So the next ARM powered Amiga1200 retro console will be called Amiga1200 ... what an improvement *irony*

And Hyperion could continue selling slightly improved AmigaOS3.x software with doubtful quality.

AOS4 has become landfill and now they are squeezing money out of the AOS3.x remains for the retro market.


MorphOS has become silent about updates, directions and plans. And AROS, that could have made a difference to this mess, is constantly neglected by "the real Amiga Fans" ...

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@OneTimer1

MorphOS being silent?

Well that is one of the reasons I like MorphOS so much.

They don't promise and then not deliver, when they say they are going to do something its already mostly done. Like say supporting different ppc macs.

Their work speaks for itself really.

Internet Browser: Wayfarer - Yes
Email Client: Iris - Yes
Word Processor: Sylos - Yes.
PIM/CRM: PolyOrga - Yes
Spreadsheet: CellBasics - Beta/2 more weeks/RSN :) - It is very functional today and is constantly improving nicely. Given the same author also made Wayfarer and Iris, I think we know what to expect. :)
DTP: PageStream MorphOS - Yes.

The last 6 years or so of constant updates or creating software to fill a hole. If hundreds of updates and new products is 'lack of planning', I will take lots more of that please!

We have seen enough of 3.20 from released videos to know it has been on a daily build cycle and runs very well on the Mirari already. With so many developers they have some sort of road map for internal controls and future versions. We already know that 3.21 is going to be a maintenance release with 3.20 a full release.

I use MorphOS daily for work/productivity and nothing is remotely close in any amiga flavor I have seen. The software is so good now, it does a lot and that says it all...

MorphOS is at a point now where it makes more sense to compare to a Linux distro than other Amiga flavors at this point.

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That's surprisingly good news, hopefully they can reach a decent agreement and continue developing the OS.

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All the Amiga OSes that come with built in IP stack will swiftly become victims of the age verification laws that are appearing - OS3 is all well since it doesn’t come with any IP stack.

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@kolla

It's a scam, are they gonna forbid linux open source stacks from being distributed too ? Because we all know there will be nobody installing alternative stacks and there are no kids using VPNs...

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@kolla

who cares outside CA?

We have obscure platforms anyway so what someone installs on a old Mac or on anything else cannot be reglemented

@OlafS25

The EU is wanting to do the same, sooner or later it will probably become a reality. Australia has done already IIRC.
As for enforcing it on obscure old alternative platforms, wait till they start using AI to check and enforce it. Shouldn't take long, after all they got some incentives (i.e. fines to fill the governments coffers).

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@kolla

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kolla wrote: ... OSes that come with built in IP stack will swiftly become victims of the age verification laws.....

I haven't read the law, but most of us don't connect their computers directly to the internet, they use routers with NAT, this making direct access from the internet to their devices impossible.

@OneTimer1

And some of the routers themselves are compatible with DD-WRT, FreshTomato, OpenWRT etc. Are they gonna forbid that ?! I suppose the answer in the long term is a shocking yes! That or they install a hardware backdoor like is already present in probably most devices today (AMD's PSP, Intel's ME etc.).

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José

You guys are mixing up different laws/regulations now.

I am specifically talking of the demand for support of age verification in end-user operating systems, which primarily hit those who _sell_ operating systems to customers in the "affected areas", and not so much those operating systems that users may download for free or build on their own on their own peril. The idea is to move the responsibilities of verifying age of users closer to the user, to the operating system, so that websites and app stores don't have to (and instead use APIs of the OS).

The whole FCC router banning is another, different, issue.

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@kolla

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... age verification in end-user operating systems, ....

Our user systems are over 18.

Porn sites have a click to declare you're 18, is that enough ? :)
With the times coming I wish I had moved to something like Gentoo a long time ago but I'm so lazy I'm still using an old version of windows...

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Jose wrote: With the times coming I wish I had moved to something like Gentoo a long time ago but I'm so lazy I'm still using an old version of windows...

Whrn I ran Gentoo, the only thing it ever really did was compile itself.

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@kriz

Hyperion shouldn't steal Amiga IP i.e. properly pay for Amiga IP.

Cloanto / Amiga Corp purchased Amiga IP from Amiga Inc/KMOS Inc.

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@number6

During June 2025, Cloanto won its legal case as the undisputed legal owner of Amiga-related copyrights that Hyperion is accused of infringing
https://x.com/amigadocuments/status/1934141835049423340/photo/2

"Amiga parties" are ones purchasing Amiga IP that can be traced back to the bankrupt Commodore International Corporation and Escom AG, not Hyperion Entertainment CVBA.

Cloanto also purchased CBM IP (e.g., 8-bit CBM ROMs) minus the Commodore name.

Both Cloanto/Amiga Corp and Hyperion have their respective roles to play i.e. Cloanto/Amiga Corp buys Amiga IP while Hyperion provides developer labour.

Ideally, Cloanto/Amiga Corp and Hyperion should team up since they both fit each other.

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