Jose wrote: "...and almost everyone who is still here, are the hard core users that will remain here until they die"
Man, That sound f***ing epic :) Seriously though, I think that everyone gets bored and then comes back from time to time just to check how things are going. You still see old users coming back from time to time and those are the ones that bother to create an account, there are surely others lurking around. Sadly there are no products that interest most, maybe a lower priced X6000 with AltiVec.
" I think that people like you who say that our community is doomed to die a quick death over the next few years, are about the same as the few community members who still believe that the Amiga is going to make some kind of miraculous recovery to its glory days"
I don't think practically anyone believes that, it's just that trying to make it happen is part of the fun. The Amiga is a very peculiar system and an updated version would surely gather interest. There are also advantages to running an exotic system, you are for example immune to threats from viruses that plague other systems. But then you can't run some of the great programs available today for Windows. We all see the markets going towards big monopolies that use open source software. These big monopolies are also in bed with governments. Even is there was a miraculous AOS version with all the amazing features one would dream of it, the average Joe would just buy and believe the hype from the big players. Just look at how TDT TV was advertised (in this case also from governments) and the hype that the image would be better, then when they implemented it they used 10% of it's capabilities with super compressed streams with lower quality than the previous analog streams (with a few exceptions of course). It was pretty painful to watch a football game with a big screen TV and seen all the green squares moving... The Amiga and whatever great other OSes and systems are out there would never make it in this world, even if they were updated to today's standards. But, and this is a big but, there are always curious people that like computers and that would maybe try it if it had some advantages.
As an Amiga kid from the late 80s and early 90s and C64/C128 before that, every now and then I take a look at the retro scene. The Amiga scene is rather unique in that it seems to be in the delusion that it isn't chiefly a retro scene. If anything this causes some alienation and division, because there can be no common goal when a large subset of the remaining people interested in "Amiga" (whatever that even means now) want to spend resources - most importantly branding and dev attention - in a fool's errand to resuscitate an anachronistic code base and architecture to bring it to... 1999? or 2006 if you are willing to spend a few thousand quid.
The C64 scene - to use as an example - lives in the real world. People create hobbyist projects to pimp their C64 and that's ok. They are priced as hobbyist projects or retro nostalgia machines. Nobody is talking about replacing their Windows/Linux/Mac Intel i5/i7 grade laptops or desktops with a pimped C64. Or even their smartphone for that matter.
I believe my constituency, generically speaking and limited to the context of this post, has a headcount in the low millions. We haven't for the most part paid much attention to anything that has happened with the Amiga brand since the mid 90s. We don't really care, we can't see how on Earth do any of these lawyered-up entities can claim to be "Amiga" or "Commodore" beyond strictly legally - there's an intrinsic conflict between that and the whole spirit of retro nostalgia. We see some of the projects as somewhere between interesting and intriguing, but nothing we would entertain investing heavily in. That would make no sense.
As most kids with computers in the 80s, I'm an early tech adopter, and I do care for the bleeding edge in technology. But "Amiga" is not going to be it. For sure some project could carry over the "philosophy" and do something Amiga-esque in 2019 or later, but is it going to be based on fighting for the trademarks or coding on top of ancient software?? Nope, there's zero future there for an Amiga-in-1985 tier "game changer" - having said that I understand there's money to be made in just extorting hobbyists by asking them for royalties or branding rights.
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...maybe a lower priced X6000 with AltiVec...
Sure, a T2080 based 8 core, 16 thread AmigaOne X6000 with AltiVec.
I'd buy that. Then again, that's the cpu planned for the laptop project.
The e6500 core is lightly slower than the e5500 cored cpus in the X5000 (at 1.8 GHz) , but it has a higher mips rating, and is capable of four times the number of threads a P5040 can handle.
I'd buy it (after I get my hands on a P5040 based X5000).
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