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@bbrv
Already responded on your blog, but will do so here as well:

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Bill- be serious. While the Peg should be considered a viable platform for OS4, and was acknowledged as such in the Hyperion IRC session you quoted from (without quoting the source properly, I might add), you also didn't quote in entirety so are misrepresenting 'all the facts.' To add the relevant section, from the IRC session: (all statements by Rogue/Hyperion) Quote: "Pegasos 2 is a potential hardware platform for OS 4. There is an initial "cost" involved for a port, in fact, for any port of OS 4 to a different hardware platform. On some occasions (like the hardware platforms mentioned in our introduction) we'Re working on that with the hardware manufacturer. For the Pegasos 2, we would need to do that ourselves. We're currently not ready to do that. That is the reason why there is no OS4 on the peg yet." While I would have no issues seeing OS4 on the Peg, it seems that as Genesi is unwilling to help with the cost of porting and/or other costs, it would seem Hyperion would prefer to work with those who apparently are willing to help with those costs first, not exactly a surprise in the business world. As it was also stated that no classic version will be released prior to final, I expect this also means 'no standalone OS4 version will be sold until final,' which would also include OS4 for the Pegasos. As Hyperion has also stated essentially that 'update 4 is basically OS4 final,' there may indeed be time to finall spend on porting to new platforms (once their existing porting work with both mentioned and unmentioned hardware is completed), and maybe then, it will happen. So, while it might be nice marketing fluff to only post a partial transcript to 'support your argument,' there's also more info available and now presented here. In short, maybe for OS4 final, I wouldn't mind it myself. I do have a question however, is Peg II production expected to continue say for the next 12 months, or will it be superceded by some different board and thus no longer be available?

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@bbrv

Going for president ?

you were on the iRC as well then ? Did you read what was said about a peg2 port ?

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Damn you wegster...

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@bbrv

Just pay the license fee :)

@wegster

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@fryguy
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Just pay the license fee :)

ROFL? I hope you're kidding, otherwise could you tell me why an OS which currently delayed release because it has no hardware to run on wants to force hardware manufacturers to pay a license fee?

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@bbrv

All it takes is for Genesi to offer to pay the porting costs and away we go!

Until then it looks like we will wait for the badly named Amy 05 or one of the other 'mystery' boards.

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@Chain-Q

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could you tell me why an OS which currently delayed release because it has no hardware to run on wants to force hardware manufacturers to pay a license fee?

Crazy situation isn't it? It's a product of the fact that the Amiga market is one of very low (if any?) profit.

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@bbrv

If you're interested in making hardware for OS4, why not contact Hyperion and Amiga Inc. and make a deal with them? Posts like this in forums are rather pointless IMO.

@bbrv

I think it's time for harmony within the Amiga community. No more AmigaOne versus Pegasos and OS4 versus MorphOS. The fractured state of the Amiga community is inhibiting the potential of Amiga possibly returning to the mainstream of computing (and YES, I believe it to be quite possible and realistic). There needs to be a resolve where everyone goes home a winner; mainly the Amiga platform (Pegasos or A1 flavored).

I know people will disagree with me on this and please don't be mad at me, but I want to see the Amiga platform thrive and we need to utilize all the available resources in the Amiga arsenal to get there.

My 2 Cents

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@COBRA

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COBRA wrote: @bbrv If you're interested in making hardware for OS4, why not contact Hyperion and Amiga Inc. and make a deal with them? Posts like this in forums are rather pointless IMO.

They did after OS4 website was published and were denied though

@Chain-Q

Yeah i was kidding. But i don't really see the point with BBRV talking about OS4, if he wants it on the Pegasos he will have to try to get a license.

@-Sam-

I'm afraid it's a bit more complicated than that. You need a license from Amiga and the reletionship between Genesi and Amiga Inc. is quite bad. If they could resolve the differences, Genesi would benefit from extra sales thanks to OS4 and Hyperion/Amiga would benefit from another piece of hardware available for OS4. Everyone would win, IMHO.

@ Thread

I have no idea how much the 'porting fee' would be - but if it were reasonable then I can see it being a good candidate for a bounty.

I can hear howls already from people shouting that bbrv/Genesi should pay this, but this may not be commercially sensible for them (Ie: port fee against future increased peg sales).
Also any money bbrv/genesi spent on OS4 would be less spent on Morphos bounties and development subsidies - maybe this would not be right politically for them.

It would be sensible for us to have this port, not just because the peg is`a fine and tested platform but also because a peg in hand is worth 2 (Troika & Ack) in the bush!

Can anyone from Hyperion give a rough guide on the port fee?

We need hardware to run OS4 and Pegasos is already available and better speced than anything availabe or announced that runs OS4.

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@bbrv

Instead of pointing us to a blog full of rhetoric, why not have a serious discussion with those that can actually bring this to be?

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@bbrv

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Proudly dubbed Amiga OS4, the jilted offspring of the once great operating system has been left homeless.

Knife in the back comments like that are why so many people dislike you and your ethics, and why so many would prefer to run AmigaOS on other hardware than yours, even if that hardware would be less advanced and cost more.

I don't see why you do these sorts of things as I really don't think it helps your cause. It really just makes you look sort of childish and unprofessional. Seems a very odd way to behave.


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Here is a question for you: What is there to the port? R&B :)

Again, I think you are just being "cute" for the sake of it. I'm sure you are smart enough to realize there is money and time involved in porting an Operating System to "new" hardware. If not in coding drivers and the like, then at least in testing the stability over a period of time, such that it is acceptably usable for a full public/retail release. Of course if we ask some MorphOS developers they may say you think an OS should be developed without paying. Oops, was that my own knife in the back comment? Oh well, I'm not the one trying to "sell" hardware around here.

Amiga_Guy

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@COBRA

Agreed - OS4 on the Peg would be great for the platform. Genesi could benefit considerably from any wider interest generated by OS4, and we'd end up with (semi) up-to-date hardware from a vendor that'd infinitely better at marketing than Eyetech ever was.

One possible misgiving is that another platform would eat away sales from other systems, although with Eyetech out of the picture that doesn't seem to be such an issue. The ACK accelerator wouldn't be affected, and even in it's stand-alone configuration aims at a different market with its ultra-low power consumption. The Amy 05 is similar, but differentiated by being smaller. Besides, competition is good

As usual, the stumbling block will be A inc Hopefully they could put aside any politics and accept the opportunity (and license income) here...

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@bbrv

Raquel and Bill said...

We derive no financial benefit in this proposition.

Bill special for you:

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and for Raquel:

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:)

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@-Sam-
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All it takes is for Genesi to offer to pay the porting costs and away we go!

Could you tell me who pays license and porting costs for ACK boards and Troika? I doubt anyone paid for that... They'll appear because Hyperion wanted to port OS4 to them. Obviously clear that it's to make a market for themselves. Another thing: a while ago it was a guy who offered $15000 for doing the early port to Pegasos2. Facts: 1., he wasn't able to get in touch with Amiga Inc, and Hyperion refused to help him. 2., Hyperion claimed many times that Amiga Inc, won't allow such a port, because Genesi is big bad and evil. Now they claim that it's possible, but no one pays the cost. But when someone wanted to pay, the refused to accept it. My opinion is that it would be nice to finally decide who to blame. Or simply saying no would be enough.

(BTW: all the above story could be digged up from forum archives right here on AW.net...)

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