@Kay

this is as i feel.

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@Kay

Very well said.

@jkirk

There was a huge rash of such cases in the 80s and 90s that have later on been totally discredited. Most of the ones I know about are in the UK. I used to be quite keen on justice, now I don't care, unless someone accuses me of course.

A high profile one is documented here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0342172/

..from the states.

This one does strain your sense of judgement somewhat as the man accussed is guilty of something, but as an insight into how the justice system works, how some people can fail to support their own families and push family members into pleading guilty, and how sometimes lawyers are everyones worst enemy.

Well jkirk,

You have an ability I lack. Maybe my DNA is corrupted.

There are people who believe in god, and "know" he exists. What gives them that knowledge is beyond me. I choose to make sure there is a god, before I subscribe.

I expect tangible evidence, nothing less is acceptable.

There's what, 5,000 or so gods, and all cling to the (oh so convenient) tenets "believe mine", "have faith".

Uhh, yeah, okaaaaay.


Fugitabutit!!! (sp.)


I demand proof. Arrogant? Yeah, so's god, get on his case too.

God wants my "soul"?, he should work for it. Show up and say hi.


They say Jesus did all these great things like healed people. Well, those people are now dead. So he only helped them a bit. There are doctors that perform 200 life saving operations a year. Did Jesus help that many people? We don't know. But I do know that just like Jesus theoretically did, doctors are also able to save lives and heal the sick.

Actually, other than healing, I don't think there's much else good that he did.

@Atheist

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Atheist wrote: Quote: nicholas wrote: @Atheist This thread is about forcing your religion down the throats of others. Now I know you are an atheist, but you do have beliefs, and you are forcing them down the throats of other people right now by making fun of people with Judeo-Christian/Islamic beliefs. This is no better than Billsey telling me I am nothing because I don't believe in his God. Think about it. Hi nicholas, Making fun of his religion? Pushing my religion down his throat? If I wanted to make fun of his religion I'd say "Every game of (Advanced) Dungeons and Dragons ever played that had religion in it WAS A REAL religion, and thank goodness there were worshipers of those gods." As for pushing my religion down his throat, the Christian religion is all around me, at every turn, and it makes me sick. Science, in my eyes has done WAY WAY WAY WAY more than any religion ever has to cure social ills. I promote that science should be the highest budgeted concern of governments. If religion wants my ear it better make sense, and it doesn't, so I discard it instantly. That's what all religion doesn't want, scrutiny. That's what you get when you indoctrinate people so young right from when they can talk, about the merits of "godhead" and such .... . You get people that will fall on a sword, literally. (Boy, where's all the venom coming from???) I despise deceit.

Why does it bother you so much that some people have these beliefs? Telling them they are wrong repeatedly isn't going to change their mind. Just like them telling you repeatedly that you are wrong won't change your mind. So why do it?

Live and let live.

Moderated by Wiffy, reason: quoted borderline comment being edited out to allow the thread to be returned to free-for-all.

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nicholas wrote: @Atheist Quote: Atheist wrote: I despise deceit. Why does it bother you so much that some people have these beliefs? Telling them they are wrong repeatedly isn't going to change their mind. Just like them telling you repeatedly that you are wrong won't change your mind. So why do it? Live and let live.

Hi nicholas,

"What if everything you were ever told was a lie", or something like that, wouldn't that make you mad?

"So why do it?", because of that last line of my post, above, in your quote.

Oh and, the ones that "believe" are being used, manipulated, controlled, and robbed of their money.

Time spent in a church is better spent having a barbeque in the backyard with close friends, or meeting new people.

@Atheist

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Atheist wrote: Oh and, the ones that "believe" are being used, manipulated, controlled, and robbed of their money. Time spent in a church is better spent having a barbeque in the backyard with close friends, or meeting new people.

In your opinion. Everyone is different, that is what makes the world such a great place, despite it's many faults.

As a wise Texan once said on a reality TV show I saw once said:-

"Opinions are like arseholes. EVERYONE has them".

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@Atheist

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Hi nicholas, "What if everything you were ever told was a lie", or something like that, wouldn't that make you mad? "So why do it?", because of that last line of my post, above, in your quote.

So you think trying to bully people into believing the same as you is not a bad thing?

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You think there is no God. You can't prove it. Religious folk believe there is God(s). They can't prove it.

Just enjoy your life, don't dictate to others how they should think and behave. It's not good for your karma.

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nicholas wrote: @Atheist So you think trying to bully people into believing the same as you is not a bad thing? -edit You think there is no God. You can't prove it. Religious folk believe there is God(s). They can't prove it. Just enjoy your life, don't dictate to others how they should think and behave. It's not good for your karma.

Hi nicholas,

I'm not sure how I'm bullying anyone.

But I'd like to see what would happen if everyone decided, rightfully, that god had to reveal himself, before he would get any more worship from us. As an experiment, of course.

Well, biblically, some quite dire wrath and mayhem would occurr, I'd imagine. That's his favourite pastime, as exemplified in the "Tower of Babel" incident. Then there's the "Flood" incident, as well.


But you see, you would mistake my ignorance of god as a desire for a hedonistic lifestyle. What's wrong with that? IN MODERATION, of course, because it doesn't work if you run it 24/7.

@Wiffy

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Wiffy wrote: @jkirk There was a huge rash of such cases in the 80s and 90s that have later on been totally discredited. Most of the ones I know about are in the UK. I used to be quite keen on justice, now I don't care, unless someone accuses me of course. A high profile one is documented here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0342172/ ..from the states. This one does strain your sense of judgement somewhat as the man accussed is guilty of something, but as an insight into how the justice system works, how some people can fail to support their own families and push family members into pleading guilty, and how sometimes lawyers are everyones worst enemy.

yea the justice system is one strange beast. what is acceptable one time is unacceptable in another. down here in the south where i live we have such a popular joke about backwoods southern lawyers and stories to back it up that reba macintire wrote "the night the lights went out in georgia".
this is a country song so at least read the lyrics it is very scathing.

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@Atheist

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I'm not sure how I'm bullying anyone.

you realize there is a major difference between i don't believe and you are a frickin idiot who has been misled by con artists and thugs if you believe this. can you see the difference. one says i dont believe the other says you better not believe.

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@BrianK

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No, no, no.. If he weighs the same as a duck then he's a witch.

ha ! caught ! I knew I could bring Monty Python into this thread !!

after all, what use is a thread on a techie website about religion, if Monty Python is not also involved ?

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@jkirk

Look human, God was just a practicle joke played on Earth by some alien students. They are getting pretty sick of all the worshiping and the praying. Kindly cease

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you realize there is a major difference between i don't believe and you are a frickin idiot who has been misled by con artists

So what if you are a fricking idiot who has been misled by con artists. You are not the only one. Humans are generaly stupid creatures anyway. Don't feel ashamed


/me buggers off for the day

@Agafaster

Hes not the messiah, hes a very naughty boy..

@jkirk

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reba macintire wrote "the night the lights went out in georgia".

While I'm not huge country fan I got to be punished as a youth as Dad forced me to listen to it. Wasn't that song out in the late 70's and early 80's by Vicki Lawrence? I don't think Reba wrote it just recorded her version of it. Vicki frequently didn't write her own music. Her husband Bobby Russell wrote many of her songs. While I'm not sure who did it, and don't really care, I'd place my money on him. But, it's not Reba.

Now back to Queens of the Stone Age... "Burn the witch... Burn to ash & bone"

@Atheist

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Atheist wrote: Quote: nicholas wrote: @Atheist So you think trying to bully people into believing the same as you is not a bad thing? -edit You think there is no God. You can't prove it. Religious folk believe there is God(s). They can't prove it. Just enjoy your life, don't dictate to others how they should think and behave. It's not good for your karma. Hi nicholas, I'm not sure how I'm bullying anyone. But I'd like to see what would happen if everyone decided, rightfully, that god had to reveal himself, before he would get any more worship from us. As an experiment, of course. Well, biblically, some quite dire wrath and mayhem would occurr, I'd imagine. That's his favourite pastime, as exemplified in the "Tower of Babel" incident. Then there's the "Flood" incident, as well. But you see, you would mistake my ignorance of god as a desire for a hedonistic lifestyle. What's wrong with that? IN MODERATION, of course, because it doesn't work if you run it 24/7.

RE:Bullying. You are forcibly projecting YOUR opinions on others who don't want to know them, and ridiculing them for not agreeing. No different to what Billsey does.

RE:Hedonism
I lived a 100% hedonistic lifestyle (Hardcore Rave Scene) for close to ten years 24/7/365. It never did me anyharm.

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I quite agree actually, from an 'outside' perspective Billsey and Athiest are pretty equal.

@Billsey

Your post has generated over 230+ posts.
Seeing as you posted this topic in the first place don't you feel you ought to try to answer some of the reactions to it so far?
I bring this up because it seems you have a tendency to post often (and more often than not with very contentious topics) but never ever seem to stick around when the punches start swinging? Why is that exactly? Do you really actually want to debate these matters? Or are you merely mud slinging?

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@hairyneanderthal

Well you aren't the only one that thinks that.

Im tempted to categorise this behaviour under this particular policy entry:

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Troll: Trolls show no respect for other people's opinions and deliberately crafts messages to provoke others with the intention of wasting their time and energy or just to cause anger and confrontations. There is no point in arguing with them; their minds are made up. Ignore them, and report the posts immediately to an Amigaworld Team Member.

Still, hes got till the end of the weekend ( Sunday ) to comment, react, etc before I lock this and take this up with the moderation team.