i am playing a game at present that has supernatural overtones. this game reminded me of some experiences i had as a child and later as an adult. but anyway i was curious if many on this forum believes in such a thing and if they had an experience. this is more for curiosity than anything else.

i do and have had experiences. What about ya'll?

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jkirk wrote: i am playing a game at present that has supernatural overtones. this game reminded me of some experiences i had as a child and later as an adult. but anyway i was curious if many on this forum believes in such a thing and if they had an experience. this is more for curiosity than anything else. i do and have had experiences. What about ya'll?

Hi jkirk,

I absolutely worship Advanced Dungeons & Dragons.


"i do and have had experiences."

Sorry, but these I ascribe any and all of these to an over active imagination, an error in perception, and/or mental illness. Also, chemical induced hallucination, or dream to reality superimpositions.


Our organ, the "brain" is a very, very complex device/mechanism. An error can occur anywhere at any time, and therefore you witness/feel a "supernatural phenomena".


Look at a computer. ONE incorrect if/then statement can lock or destroy the intended purpose of the entire system. Same possibility in a human body. One neuron can make a cascade of incorrect decisions to occur beyond it, and almost anything is a result.



Have you heard of this room that was made at a university where, when you sit in there, the walls have almost no sound energy reflection back to you, where, many people after a while of being in there experience "god" talking or communicating to them with emotions, or even an alien presence near them. Kind of like a ghost/spirit close by.

@Atheist

There is indeed a handful of phenomena that can create what people ascribe to a supernatural phenomena. Many of these are used in creating a Halloween Haunted House.

Intermittent small chilled breezes can move hair and create the feel that some cold something is touching you. It is, but it's simply wind.

Strange smells that don't belong can propogate from outside the house to inside the house. One example was a new neighbor thought perhaps her house was haunted because the basement smelled like flowers. Once the flowers died on the other side of the house and winter came it no longer smelled. Eventually a basement inspector used a stinky smoke to find some air leaks. The scent was going in the drail tiling around the outside then seeping into the other side opposite of the flowers.

Some people appear to be more or less sensitive to magnetic fields then other people. Magnetic resonance monitors have picked up greater field variation and it appears that some people's bodies act as a receiver or are more sensative to them. A wild magnetic fluxation can cause electronic problems or strange things like TV's turning on.


I've experienced 'strange' things. Such as a friend's house where they had a light that turned on, on it's own mysteriously. We replaced all outlets and wiring to the light and it appears something in the chain was bad. It never did it again.

Yesterday I was closing up my house and turning on the AC. I have one window that sticks on the 2nd floor. I thought how I hate it when the wife opens that window because I can never get it shut and I wished someone could push it shut for me. It then slammed shut. It does this intermittently my guess would be pressure differences between the exterior and interior. I doubt I have a ghost that likes to help me out, but perhaps... BTW -- the house if for sale if anyone wants a friendly spirit.

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Hi BrianK,


Precisely why I picked "no. most can be explained with science."

Yes, faulty equipment often produces mysterious goings on.

If it only happens ONE time ever, the more "Maybe, maybe there IS a ghost", you're bound to encounter from people.


Yes, the inexplicable happens, BUT, can you track down just exactly what every single atom was doing when the event was experienced???

@jkirk

I have not experinced any ghostly apparitions myself but it would be really exiting if someone proved that ghosts exist, that would end the debate about if there is an existence after death or not.

Ghosts could of course be something else than souls of dead people (like extra dimensional beings or something like that).

An ultrasonic device (which can occur naturally) DOES cause those feelings often ascribed to being in a "haunted house". Any real Halloween H.H. should have one! (Also, anyone who lives in an apartment with annoying neighbors!!! )

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Yes, the inexplicable happens, BUT, can you track down just exactly what every single atom was doing when the event was experienced???

Stephen Hawkins probably says it best - 'Not only does God play dice with the universe he throws them in places where he can't see them'. Current theory is that position w/ direction or direction w/ position are the only possible methods to explain what an atom is doing. Each introduces randomness and neither is a full picture.

Although I do not entirely disregard anything which is believed in by normal individuals, such as this, I do not believe in ghosts myself. I do believe there may be other forces and entities than what has been observed (like atoms) or constructed theoretically (gravity, gravitons) by science so far. Other forces, other forms of matter (something not made of atoms, who knows?), other interactions. But until you have some sort of reliable empirical evidence (evidence, not proof), I will go with what seems more probable. And I think minor brain malfunction seems more likely than spirits of the dead.

Kay

@jkirk

I have experienced several strange occurrances through my life. The most recent ones are:

1- August 1999, a few weeks after my Father died I was driving a large motorhome. I was waiting at a red light when a voice seemed to tell me to get up and adjust the inside mirror. I pulled the parking brake, got up and make a slight adjustment to the mirror. When I sat back down I realized that the light was already green. When I started to proceed a large double hopper dirt hauler came from my left and ran through his red light without even a slow down. Had I not gotten up to adjust this mirror most certainly I would have been in this truck's path when he ran the light. He would have hit my driver's door straight on. I also realize that had I proceeded he would have seen me and applied his brakes. However at his speed there is no way he could have avoided hitting me. [Father whispering to me?}

2- In September 2001 my Mother died. I bought my parents home from my siblings for my retirement home. In March 2002 I was over there doing maintainance and painting. I was alone in the house and in my parents old bedroom vacuuming just inside the doorway when the vacuum lost power and I heard a loud whipping sound at the end of the hallway near the living room. As the room fell silent a music box on my Mother's dressing table started to play. I walked over to the music box and listened as it wound down. Then I walked out down the hallway to investigate why the vacuum lost power. I discovered that the power cord had been janked out of the wall outlet and thrown out into the living room. The cord had several feet before it reached it's limit so it was not my stretching the cord to cause it to fling itself from the outlet. The cord was also thrown in the direction away from the vacuum. [Father pulling the cord so I would hear my Mother playing her music box? A sign of some kind?]

3- In the summer of 2004 I was in my parents old bedroom again snooping through their personal papers in their filing cabinet. I had reached some of my Mother's medical records which my sister was suppose to dispose of when the same music box on my Mother's dressing table started to play again. I looked at the music box and said: "Yes, Mother, this is none of my business" as I put the papers away.

Of course I rewound the music box each time it played and wound down. Isn't that the proper thing to do?

I do not know what to make of these happenings, but they make me pause. My Father died in my old childhood bedroom on 1 August 1999. I had just arrived at AmiWest in Sacramento when the call came that he was ill. I sleep in this room when I am there. Nothing strange happens in this bedroom. If it did I would go with the flow.

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@Atheist

i can agree with your arguements especially in certain situations i cannot totally dismis this idea though.

my grandmother who has never imagined anything(that i am aware of) had one experience i have a hard time pinning to an explanation. she went to bed early one night(the same yard i had my experiences) she woke up to the sound of a door closing. as she got up to see who was there she heard a voice she could not recognize calling her name. as she neared the kitchen the voice abruptly stopped. she stepped into the kitchen then noticed she had forgotten to turn the burner of the stove off.

when i was a kid i would hear footsteps outside my bedroom window every night. one night a feeling of dread swelled over me as i heard the footsteps so i ran to my parents room. i tried to wake my dad because i was scared s**tless. he would not wake up and i happened to look in the living room and a man was standing there looking at me. the man resembled my dad so i looked back at the bed to make sure he was there then looked back and he was gone from the living room. after i saw it the dread went away and i felt at peace then i went back to bed and it never bothered me afterwards.

this is just two stories of mine i have more.
after i went to high school our house burned down. we built another on the same land but not the same spot. after this the sightings were greatly reduced.

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@Moxee

Very cool stories -- glad that you didn't get pulverized by that truck.

@Kay

Exactly what is the difference between proof and evidence? I don´t claim to be an expert on the english language but according to my dictionaries it is two words that mean the same thing.

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And I think minor brain malfunction seems more likely than spirits of the dead.

You mean that everyone that has a supernatural experience has a brain damage? Sure, it can be considered a little odd talking about things like this in public but calling everyone with an experience like the ones we are talking about brain damaged is a bit too much I think.

The best way to solve things like this is to try to find an expanation to it, no matter how strange the explanation would be, today no scientist with self respect would touch the subject. That is a problem with science today, if someone suggests a solution to a problem that doesn´t fit inside the current theories or isn´t considered acceptable the scientist gets expelled from the scientific community if he doesn´t withdraw, or change his theories so it is allign with the current way of thinking. How are we going to advance in science if unexpected conclusions are treated this way without first being examined thorougly?

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Niolator wrote: @jkirk I have not experinced any ghostly apparitions myself but it would be really exiting if someone proved that ghosts exist, that would end the debate about if there is an existence after death or not. Ghosts could of course be something else than souls of dead people (like extra dimensional beings or something like that).

yes people automatically assume that if something is not tangible it does not exist. it may be metaphysical beings and the only way we sense them is as a non-corporal entity. it may be something else entirely. sometimes thinking out of the box leads to more discoveries than staying in the bounds of science. after all where would we be if chris columbus and other scoffed scientists/explorers had not challenged the theory of a flat world.

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@cell

Yuk! He would of looked like ground beef.

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Exactly what is the difference between proof and evidence? I don´t claim to be an expert on the english language but according to my dictionaries it is two words that mean the same thing.

Within science, at least, there is a significant difference between the two. Evidence is something which helps to point you in the direction of the truth. A footprint on a murder scene, a statistical analysis showing a correspondance between two variables (say, alcohol consumption and life expectancy), that sort of thing. Proof, on the other hand, is something which not merely indicates, but proves something. A mathematical proof of some theorem, an observation of something which either unquestionably confirms or disconfirms a statement (like the observation of a flying pig would disprove "no pig can fly"), and so on.

Hope that clears it up.

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You mean that everyone that has a supernatural experience has a brain damage?

That is NOT what I said at all. I said "minor brain malfunction". Our brains, even when they're perfectly healthy and undamaged, mix stuff up all the time. Have you ever experienced déjà vu, for example? Your brain mistaking the present for the past? (Some would say it is related to past lives and such, choose the theory you think is more likely). Or how about experiments with witness observations, where different witnesses contradict eachother, while each being absolutely confident of their observation of the course of events? The mind fills in the blanks, and extrapolated facts are mixed in with the observed ones.

I would never make a claim as idiotic as "everybody who believes in ghosts have brain damage". I'm sorry that you would think that of me. :-/

Kay

@jkirk

I would not say I believe in Ghosts as Science can explain most cases (like about Aliens Abductions...).
But they are some cases which Science can not explain (or their explanation is not plausible...). It doesn't mean there are ghosts, it doesn't mean there ain't.
When you think we are not using much of our brain... Maybe the part we are not "actively" using is playing tricks on us ? Maybe even creating some "waves" ? Maybe it can also be called sometimes the 6th sense ?

...The truth must be somewhere Out There...

Jerry

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When you think we are not using much of our brain...

I think that is not correct. Unfortunately, it has been repeated so many times by so many sources, people have stopped questioning it. I hadn't given it any second thought myself either, until I stumbled across that article on snopes.com.

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