@Herewegoagain

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I have yet to see them issue a license to anyone who has tried

Name one that you think Hyperion would have licensed if it was up to them. We've already discussed the Pegasos and Genesi and it's pretty safe to say that Hyperion would have turned them down as well. As for the board from AHT, it has still yet to materalize for AROS so it's pretty difficult to say what we're missing out on, if anything at all. Any other takers?

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@thread

Merry Xmas. If you so feel the need for flames and/or continuing insults, or want to debate this in a more lightly moderated thread, then go do it:
Here's your chance


edit- nope, still no spell checker.

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@samface

Actually, I don't think anyone from Hyperion has ever said they woudn't do a Pegasos port just on principle. They've always pointed out that they didn't want to break their agreement with Amiga Inc (IMHO quite a wise thing to do, because if Amiga Inc pull Hyperion's license for breach of contract, they'll probably be in a world of hurt)

@CodeSmith

That is naturally their most important reason. However, that reason doesn't exclude other reasons that they may have as well.

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@samface

Well, everyone has their childish side, so I imagine there must have been an element of "neener neener I'm not going to and you can't make me" a couple years ago, but I suspect that right now they'd much rather just have hardware to run their OS on.

@CodeSmith

I feel that I can't respond in full to this post of yours due to certain circumstances. All I can do is to kindly ask of you to go back some posts in this thread and see what has already been discussed. There is simply a whole lot more to things than just childish "neener neener I'm not going to and you can't make me" games.

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@samface

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samface wrote: @polka. Quote: What an utterly stupid and tasteless comparison. It's extreme, I'll gve you that. But I still think it's spot on. To say that you don't care about who runs the show just tells me that you are not aware of the consequenses. If you care about the Amiga and wether it will ever become available in stores again, you should care about who runs the show. With Genesi at the helm, AmigaOS might very well end up like MorphOS today; partially open sourced due to unpaid salaries, exlusively tied to Genesi's hardware and forget the clause where Hyperion would assume all the rights to the AmigaOS4 product line in case of a bancrupcy.

I know fully well who and what Genesi are. But I still say if they were running the show, at least we would be moving forward.

Oh yeah, and who cares if it was exculsively tied to Genesi hardware? At least we would HAVE some hardware.

@samface

Fair enough, I'm about as far from the center of things as one can be so my knowledge of the facts is nebulous at best. If you're "in the know" and can't talk about it, I'm not going to force you.

@samface

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samface wrote: @Herewegoagain Quote: I have yet to see them issue a license to anyone who has tried Name one that you think Hyperion would have licensed if it was up to them. We've already discussed the Pegasos and Genesi and it's pretty safe to say that Hyperion would have turned them down as well....

Rogue has said time and time again that they did not have any problem with a port of OS4 on the Pegasos hardware. Go back and search the forum threads. He even said on IRC that the Pegasos was a potential OS4 platform.

@Herewegoagain

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h yeah, and who cares if it was exculsively tied to Genesi hardware? At least we would HAVE some hardware.

Just like we used to have hardware from Eyetech. Good thing they thought ahead and didn't tie AmigaOS4 down exclusively to that, right? *hint* *hint*

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@Herewegoagain

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Rogue has said time and time again that they did not have any problem with a port of OS4 on the Pegasos hardware.

Of course they don't have any problems with a port of OS4 on the Pegasos hardware. What we're talking about here is license agreements.

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@samface

Do. not. bring. it. up. again.

This thread doesn't need your opinion on MorphOS.

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samface wrote: Of course they don't have any problems with a port of OS4 on the Pegasos hardware. What we're talking about here is license agreements.

^^^ armchair lawyer ^^^

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@samface

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samface wrote: @Herewegoagain Quote: h yeah, and who cares if it was exculsively tied to Genesi hardware? At least we would HAVE some hardware. Just like we used to have hardware from Eyetech. Good thing they thought ahead and didn't tie AmigaOS4 down exclusively to that, right? *hint* *hint*

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T_Bone wrote: @samface Quote: samface wrote: @Herewegoagain [quote]h yeah, and who cares if it was exculsively tied to Genesi hardware? At least we would HAVE some hardware. Just like we used to have hardware from Eyetech. Good thing they thought ahead and didn't tie AmigaOS4 down exclusively to that, right? *hint* *hint*

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So in theory Eyetech could just buy a bunch of peg boards and sell them as AmigaONE's as they already have the A1 license..?

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@Darth_X

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Darth_X wrote: Quote: samface wrote: Of course they don't have any problems with a port of OS4 on the Pegasos hardware. What we're talking about here is license agreements. ^^^ armchair lawyer ^^^

Thank you for baiting, joke or not. Take a day to realize when Staff has said enough baiting, it includes everyone.

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@AMiGR

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AMiGR wrote: @samface Do. not. bring. it. up. again. This thread doesn't need your opinion on MorphOS.

Nor did it need an additional cents added, when warnings were already given.

Take a day off to realize thanks, but no help was needed, and this thread has more than enough baiting in it already.

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@wegster

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@Samwel

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But why don't they release it?

Because it's not ready, the same way Quake3 is not released for OS4 (just an analogy)

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They must see that they destroy their own community?

They have released many updates, even small semi-official bugfixes. Ambient is often updated by MorphOS core and community developers. Ambient is turning to modern desktop (compared to old wb), just check out http://www.ambient-desktop.com/ and see for yourself.

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I have read some desperate posts by users that want updates to MorphOS.

Seen more bitching and moaning here about OS4 updates/prereleases than to MOS1.5

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MorphOS will slowly die if they never update it. Even if hardware is available!

It is updated, get it into your (plural) head, because this got very repetitive and borring :)

@samface

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samface wrote: @Herewegoagain Quote: h yeah, and who cares if it was exculsively tied to Genesi hardware? At least we would HAVE some hardware. Just like we used to have hardware from Eyetech. Good thing they thought ahead and didn't tie AmigaOS4 down exclusively to that, right? *hint* *hint*

Why do you keep repeating this when it's not true? MOS is NOT tied to any hardware by a stupid license. The MOS Team can port it anywhere they want, including to non-Genesi hardware (and have already done so).

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