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Tomas 
Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 18-Feb-2011 13:36:18
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Yes. The only problem is it needs some skilled & motivated Amiga programmer (currently mostly Fab?) to keep adding & updating it's features (not to mention fixing security holes), or it will get old again soon (since the Web move FAST). That's the main reason why I think a port of Firefox (or some other modern web browser, like Chrome, Safari, etc) might be better in the long run: Because once the initial (big) porting work has been done, it should hopefully take a lot less effort to keep the Amiga version up-to-date.

And what is wrong wiht having two modern browsers??
I myself am looking more forward to OWB-mui than i ever did with firefox.
I think OWB might be a better alternative for people like me with a low end model.

Having alternatives is a good thing...
And currently we have absolutely not a single full featured modern browser and Firefox/timberwolf might be long off still.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 18-Feb-2011 13:40:14
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That is certainly a concern, but Firefox 4 is very new (not even officially finished yet), and I guess unlikely to have any major changes until Firefox 5, which must surely be several years away (Firefox 3 is 3 years old!). And even after Firefox 5, Firefox 4 is likely to be kept up-to-date with security patches for some time. I think I'd be very happy if we only needed minor porting work for interm releases of Firefox 4 for 3 years... (And if Mozilla speed-up their release cycle for Firefox, then it likely means less changes in each major new version, thus less porting work.)

You are wrong.. Firefox is speeding up releases and are actually planning V5 already this year and probably even V6 by end of year.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 18-Feb-2011 14:35:41
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@Tomas

Yes.. thats true. Mozilla is planning to release Firefox 4, 5, 6 and 7 within 2011...
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap

I've never liked Firefox and have used Opera for 10+ years now....

Looking forward to the Fab version of OWB on OS4.1 though...
Keep up the good work!

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 18-Feb-2011 14:58:59
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@Samo79

In fact, i'd prefer to have a configurable layout system allowing to put the elements wherever you want. But it requires more work, of course.

@AlexC

WebInspector in WebKit allows to edit some things on the fly, actually (it's a bit like firebug extension in firefox).

@tuxedo

A toplist of the sites with thumbnails like safari's would be possible, with enough motivation. Though I guess safari uses webgl to render it rather than a custom dialog/view (not sure though). But it's hardly my priority for now. :)


By the way, OWB with current WebKit scores 212 points (+13 bonus) on http://www.html5test.com (and that's with workers, geolocation, device and webgl disabled).
Also, for people who never saw all the available features in OWB MUI, you can take a look at:
http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owbshots/

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@Tomas
those are just naming conventions, don't expect the amount of of difference (and work) done during the "version 3" era, to reflect at each new FF release using those naming conventions (ie: if FF5 comes out after 6 months from FF4, it is just FF4.1 or 4.2 named with a different naming convention).
Expecting a major overhaul every 6 months is unrealistic at best.

That said, I am quite happy Mui-OWB is coming, I have 5 browsers on my PC (although I use FF 99% of the time) why shouldn't I have 2 or 3 on AmigaOS?

More is always better than less

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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Thank you very much indeed



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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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Nice banner !

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Posted on 19-Feb-2011 11:52:41
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@Fab

Thanks for the link to the screenshots, it's already a lot more "ibrowsy" than I expected

Great work!

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@xeno74
Intereting, but font are bad for sure, and that boing-ball stuff suck too much (too much fanboish to put all those boing-balls images everythere, its like noone can live without those sucking buing-balls:) )

But nice try, thanks :)

@alexc
But os4 version will be a bit "more ibrowse", because our default mui3.9 skin a bit not modern as well, and in general it of course will looks better as ibrowse (because of good images, etc), but still all those backgorunds , gauges, dropdowns menus will looks not so cool as on morphos/mui4.

Maybe mason will add someday some cool default aos4 theme for our mui (current one a bit not good enough)

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 19-Feb-2011 13:19:25
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@kas1e

Mini update:

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 19-Feb-2011 13:37:23
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@kas1e

What's wrong with the boingball, it's the symbol of AmigaOS so as soon as you see it you know what it's about. The same goes for the butterfly that MorphOS got. Why shouldn't it be used?

Apple uses apples and Microsoft uses their flag... and Linux the penguin. As soon as you see thouse symbols you know what OS it's for.

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kas1e 
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Posted on 19-Feb-2011 16:15:37
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@xeno74
Imho update looks the same as original ?:)

Anyway, Mason already say that he will do all what we need with no problems (i mean banners for now its not a problem).

@hotrod
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What's wrong with the boingball, it's the symbol of AmigaOS so as soon as you see it you know what it's about. The same goes for the butterfly that MorphOS got. Why shouldn't it be used?


Because when you put boing-balls everythere, its just show, that you have nothing else to put. We all not creative enough to make something else than those annoing red-spheres ?:)

I can say even more: when i see boing ball, i start to think that then there is nothing good will be, just because "yeah ! amiiiigaaaa!" and nothing more. Its all feels too much fanatics, too much fanboish, too much "official hype" and too much childrish.

Its ok of course to put one logo somethere in some prod, or one logo somethere in the OS to show "official feel" (as it already done in os4), but when all users put everythere boingballs, and trying to put it in EVERY icon or banner or picture, just because "amiiiigggaaa", its just a bit annoing start to be. For me all that hype and cicling around boing-ball just looks non-proffesional a bit. Some of user that prefer see boing-ball only, and then they happy, and does not matter where is sticked :)

Quality stuff should be quality stuff, without all that fanatism.

For first , we need to release something, and after that, all the crap like banners and so on. And even if put something like "logos" in any kind of banners somethere, there should be butterfly+that-red-ball, because its just a port from morphos, not special amigaos developed software.

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 19-Feb-2011 16:28:27
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@kas1e

I would like an laptop with a small boingball infront like apple has. would be nice to bring when i play at partys. but ofcourse i dont like having boingballs everywhere, icons, naming many apps ami#? etc. using boings as backdrop in workbench i never use but its no problem having a small one somewhere in the shadows so that it dont take eyes away from everything else.

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kas1e 
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Posted on 19-Feb-2011 16:33:36
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@Kicko

Yep, logos should be, but just a little, very good looking, very good done, very good designed, and just in 1-2 places. Not like half of banner with it , or as you say ami#? everythere. And those boing ball backdrops which we all can found in the interenet .. blaah :) Its like someone just not know the basic design moments. its like "yeah ! eat our boing balls ! right in your face ! eat it !" :)

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Posted on 19-Feb-2011 17:14:43
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@kas1e

LOL, by the way the blue look on that banner is very nice

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Posted on 19-Feb-2011 18:13:26
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I like embossed boing ball on my Mac :P

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
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@xeno74

Nice banner

@kas1e

Sometimes you are maybe little too harsh

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Re: AmigaOS4.1 OWB Development whilst we wait?
Posted on 19-Feb-2011 19:33:33
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@xeno74

If you really need to have a boingball maybe something like this. Sorry for the ugly fonts but i lack of good and usable fonts. Also the boing could be smaller and more transparent. Arteffect is crashy and doesnt behave like i want it to under os4 so after a couple of reset i got tired.

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@Kicko

And there I was thinking they use latin letters in sweden.....

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Since this is a port of Fab's MorphOS achievement, perhaps the AOS boing ball isn't the appropriate graphic for this particular program. Maybe the permanent solution will take its inspiration from whatever name Fab chooses for the program going forward.

That said... Xeno, that's nice graphic work in your image. I like the play of the red ball checks against the blue background. This is not your everyday, ubiquitous red-and-white boing ball.

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