@djrikki

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djrikki wrote: Hyperion will be coming down on them like a ton of bricks.

They will shatter and lay around like useless junk ?

Picture of Hyperion after they came down:

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@cha05e90

I'm pretty sure I can answer those questions. ;)

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Happy Discussion!

The problem with the days discussions about names, and so is attendance part is left in the old days some are here now, and some look into the future!

The right to a sense that we call the "Amiga" is only in the mind of each one. From 1994, feeling the road was curvy. Several different emotional players have held the steering wheel. Therefore, no longer say what they are a "real" Amiga.
I have long waited for a strong driving force which takes the lead in the race. Long have I hoped that it would be Amiga Inc. Unfortunately, things are bad without money.

Now the gang around the Commodore has shown that they are serious and that they actually have products on time and that more are on planerinngen. In addition to what we know planned a Amiga500 replica, replica Amiga mouse, monitors, keyboards and much more. They also want to start a software business with both payment software and free software.

Whatever you say about the name or select the right / wrong Amiga, this is the strongest card in 1994. If they grow in the PC market will also Amiga to grow with them. In the end, Commodore Amiga, which is Amiga. Whether people like it or not!

I think this is the salvation for the Amiga that we craved for so long!

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@opi

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If Amiga, Inc says "Amiga is a thing in a fake C64 case" then it's Amiga.

But the C64x is NOT the new Amiga. C64x is the C64x which is the end of story. The new Amiga(s) and it's follow on OS (note I did not say WB5) is something different.

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@damocles

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But the C64x is NOT the new Amiga. C64x is the C64x which is the end of story. The new Amiga(s) and it's follow on OS (note I did not say WB5) is something different.

OK, thanks for correcting me, my point still stands: if they own The Name, they can release whatever they feel is OK.

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@opi

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OK, thanks for correcting me, my point still stands: if they own The Name, they can release whatever they feel is OK.

Absolutely correct. I'm just trying to break any perceived connection between the C64x and the C=USA's Amiga series.

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@vox

1.) Original Amiga is dead since 1994 and will never come back again!
2.) Hyperion`s OS4 is no official Amiga OS and will never be as any other clone
3.) Sam is no official Amiga mainboard. It`s the same piece of electronics as
any washing machine electronics board or any other x86 mainboard.
4.) X1000 is not a official Amiga line follower and will never be one!
5.) Amiga "community" is a hobby market of never ending optimists. What
divides us is only the vision of "what could it be today if the old C= stayed alive!"
6.) Without Dave Haynie none of the all mentioned is worth

Sad is that people are flaming about the visions. There is no more support and tolerance
among the Community. Well, if we can call this today a Community at all.

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@eXec

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6.) Without Dave Hayne none of the all mentioned is worth Sad is that people are flaming about the visions. There is no more support and tolerance among the Community. Well, if we can call this today a Community at all.

it's "Dave Haynie"

Sadly with all this moaning an bickering going on lately it's becoming a bit unconfortable.

As of what is going on lately, If Hyperion was going to announce it's over, I wouldn't wonder if a lot of people would feel happy and relieved. It really feels like this Amiga thing is weighting heavy on their shoulders..

So much need to tell others what is right and wrong, so much need to point fingers and try to lift oneself ego up a bit.

Sad, very sad.

Corrected the dropped letter :)

It`s sad, yes. This has nothing to do with the Amiga Community any more.
It`s just a group of too loud hobby optimist.





@Amigo1

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Amigo1 wrote: @eXec Quote: 6.) Without Dave Hayne none of the all mentioned is worth Sad is that people are flaming about the visions. There is no more support and tolerance among the Community. Well, if we can call this today a Community at all. it's "Dave Haynie" Sadly with all this moaning an bickering going on lately it's becoming a bit unconfortable. As of what is going on lately, If Hyperion was going to announce it's over, I wouldn't wonder if a lot of people would feel happy and relieved. It really feels like this Amiga thing is weighting heavy on their shoulders.. So much need to tell others what is right and wrong, so much need to point fingers and try to lift oneself ego up a bit. Sad, very sad.

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Oh Que Sera Sera... whatever will be will be...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVuEC3r7a-o

Guess it's outta hands anyway, its with barry the snow man and joe mangel

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@cha05e90

Yes, in such chaos they sincerely deserve those kind of questions.
Or why there isnt S:Startup-sequence on my Amiga 3000?

Lets see their promises:

a) We will make a retro Amiga case (Dream Amiga pictures, A1200 style)

No, they take some existing PC design case and name it A1000,A2000,A3000 ... to sound more pro

b) We will use and support AROS

No they will not, problem seems to be first they expected AROS for free, but when it comes to few drivers ...

c) We will make x86 AmigaOS

No, they don`t have rights to do that until they buy Hyperion. No, the

d) We will make best emulation 100% Amiga Classic compatibile

How without Kickstart files (Cloanto/Hyperion) and real Workbench / AmigaOS 3.9
files (Haage & Partner / Hyperion)? Not to mention ADF files probably should have legal authorisation to be bundled with OS. Laught and war with real Amiga community that you have to come for approval.

e) Partnerships. distribution, longelivity

We`ll see real distribution and sales worldwide, as well as first reviews. Its still vaporware and at discussion level. There are no new bright ideas, programmers or designers, as company is not specialized in hardware or software. Sounds very retro Amigistic, but whatever real Amigan question you would ask answer would be NO.

What is most interesting to me is that is neither hardware development
or software development company, its repack, rebrand, resell. We`ll see what they will do with the profits as idea of selling Amiga look like PC might gain some momenmtum, but bot forever. Also, their only real partner seems to be AmigaInc - who is to be blamed directly for Amiga situation they laugh at.

Those who think I am the name follower are wrong. Exactly the AmigaInc name odyssesy has brought us to this latest scam. To me AmigaOS is what is left of Amiga, and to CUSA I strongly object just small history of Amiga and AmigaOS on the website and with computers that would indicate that AmigaOS exists, as that is the Amiga and not rebranded PC. But while they claim we denie their "progress"
reality is that denie Amiga history and progress after 1994.

And that is:
- Complete change to PowerPC which is revolution as it is supposed x86 transition
- Complete change to open standards with not too many but still PCI cards usable, and such standards as DDR/DDR2, SATA, PCI-E ...
- New eyecandies, libraries and memory managment
-Soon will be completely functional USB2, RadeonHD and printing systems as some of the crucial components
-Every library and part of the system updated
-Strenght of platform to support Linux ports. Even its just about ports now, PPC Amiga is strong enough
- Bundled apps like PDF viewer that doesn`t come with some other OSs like Windows

At the end, real Amiga community has what to do: use EP460, be proud of X1000 realise when its done, new version of AmigaOS to expect. Nothing to do with CUSA.

etc. etc.

A lot work has been done, a lot work is yet to be done,
and at this time, its much more then CUSA is contributing to itself.

How long will they be able to fool people?

Focus on EP460 / when comes x1000 promotion, and AmigaOS software development.

And I don`t get how they don`t get that using Workbench 5 name can really put them to legal trouble. But let them do what they wanna do ...

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@eXec

EX>1.) Original Amiga is dead since 1994 and will never come back again!

Tell it to the CUSA

EX>2.) Hyperion`s OS4 is no official Amiga OS and will never be as any other clone

Its direct continuation of the OS code according to all agreements.
Its granted AmigaOS by AmigaInc, same company that CUSA gave the Amiga name.
How it is a clone or unofficial?

EX>3.) Sam is no official Amiga mainboard. It`s the same piece of electronics as
EX>any washing machine electronics board or any other x86 mainboard.

There are no official motherboards. Just motherboards that can run AmigaOS.
Samantha was disagned with this purpose, beside running Linux and in agreement with Hyperion. Acube asked for AmigaINc approval, but they didn`t grant the name. Probably not enough money.

EX>4.) X1000 is not a official Amiga line follower and will never be one!

Oh, its just another motherboard for AmigaOS so yes, it will be AmigaOS board.
However, Hyperion has AmigaOne name, so its official AmigaOne board.

To me board that runs MorphOS or AmigaOS is more Amiga then CUSA Amigas will ever be with emulation.

EX>5.) Amiga "community" is a hobby market of never ending optimists. What
EX>divides us is only the vision of "what could it be today if the old C= stayed alive!"

I don`t have that problems, neither I moan for old or cry for new Commodore.

EX>Sad is that people are flaming about the visions. There is no more support and EX>tolerance among the Community. Well, if we can call this today a Community at EX>all.

There is a support to AmigaOS users of all flavours - OS 3.x, AROS, MOS, AOS 4
There shouldn`t be support for those who spit on Amiga history every day, trying to sell their commodities as Amiga computers with wannabe AmigaOS while not giving anything back.

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@eXec

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1.) Original Amiga is dead since 1994 and will never come back again!

Sad, but true.

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2.) Hyperion`s OS4 is no official Amiga OS and will never be as any other clone

I wonder, why Amiga.Inc mentions it as an example of its activity on the field of operating systems?

(Amiga.Inc) "has used the mark AMIGA on operating system software during the relevant time period, directly and through licensees, including with limitation on and in connection with the operating system known as AMIGA OS 4.0 and Amiga OS 4.1."

Source: Statement of Amiga.Inc (page 9) in the Workbench trademark dispute with Cloanto.

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3.) Sam is no official Amiga mainboard. It`s the same piece of electronics as

Someone says opposite?

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4.) X1000 is not a official Amiga line follower and will never be one!

Amiga.Inc intended AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4 as "move towards the rebirth of the Amiga desktop platform" . (Bill McEwen, Executive Update, April 12th, 2002)

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5.) Amiga "community" is a hobby market of never ending optimists. What divides us is only the vision of "what could it be today if the old C= stayed alive!"

Exactly!

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6.) Without Dave Hayne none of the all mentioned is worth

Don´t lose hope...

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Sad is that people are flaming about the visions. There is no more support and tolerance among the Community. Well, if we can call this today a Community at all.

This long and bitter "war" started around 2002 and never really ended. Many of participants of our forums choosed their champion and will promote him at all cost.

Speech full of hatred towards OS4 I saw from some prominent MorphOS Team members (like Piru on Amiga.org) even forced me to temporaly abandon my intention to buy hardware for MorphOS...
...fortunately the MorphOS faction has also nice people (like Luky), so now I want to buy PowerBook with MorphOS licence.

@eXec

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eXec wrote: Without Dave Haynie none of the all mentioned is worth Sad is that people are flaming about the visions.

You certainly are miserable about something every time you post here. If you want to be with
Dave Haynie go be with him. Use his OS, buy his equipment, and complain to him of your
troubles. I'm sure he will welcome and appreciate your input and special community spirit.

It's not 'people' flaming about the vision. It's you.

@vox


EXXX>1.) Tell it to the CUSA

They already know that. They have been crucified around here even before
they managed to say a word...


EX>2.) Hyperion`s OS4 is no official Amiga OS and will never be as any other clone

Its direct continuation of the OS code according to all agreements.
Its granted AmigaOS by AmigaInc, same company that CUSA gave the Amiga name.
How it is a clone or unofficial?



EXXX>2.) So according to you, new Amiga line form C= USA is a direct continuation
of the Amiga computer models, according to all agreements. It˙s granted
Amiga name by Amiga Inc.




EX>3.) Sam is no official Amiga mainboard. It`s the same piece of electronics as
EX>any washing machine electronics board or any other x86 mainboard.

There are no official motherboards. Just motherboards that can run AmigaOS.
Samantha was disagned with this purpose, beside running Linux and in agreement with Hyperion. Acube asked for AmigaINc approval, but they didn`t grant the name. Probably not enough money.

EXXX>3.) Yep..money makes the world goes round... ;)





EX>4.) X1000 is not a official Amiga line follower and will never be one!

Oh, its just another motherboard for AmigaOS so yes, it will be AmigaOS board.
However, Hyperion has AmigaOne name, so its official AmigaOne board.

To me board that runs MorphOS or AmigaOS is more Amiga then CUSA Amigas will ever be with emulation.


EXXX>4.) That`s your personal opinion...not official state of the whole story...



EX>5.) Amiga "community" is a hobby market of never ending optimists. What
EX>divides us is only the vision of "what could it be today if the old C= stayed alive!"

I don`t have that problems, neither I moan for old or cry for new Commodore.

EXXX>5.)

I do.... If the old C= was clever enough..imagine where could it be now...




EX>Sad is that people are flaming about the visions. There is no more support and EX>tolerance among the Community. Well, if we can call this today a Community at EX>all.

There is a support to AmigaOS users of all flavours - OS 3.x, AROS, MOS, AOS 4
There shouldn`t be support for those who spit on Amiga history every day, trying to sell their commodities as Amiga computers with wannabe AmigaOS while not giving anything back.

Define those who are spitting.... Give us a direct name of them...

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Mechanic wrote: @eXec Quote: eXec wrote: Without Dave Haynie none of the all mentioned is worth Sad is that people are flaming about the visions. You certainly are miserable about something every time you post here. If you want to be with Dave Haynie go be with him. Use his OS, buy his equipment, and complain to him of your troubles. I'm sure he will welcome and appreciate your input and special community spirit. It's not 'people' flaming about the vision. It's you.

You are a very aggressive guy. Try to live peacefully in harmony.

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@eXec

CUSA has been crucified just because the complete idea and move was not known to anyone within this small Amiga community and looked like AmigaInc way to revenge (sell everything Amiga to those who can do the dummiest exploit)

As told before, they have broken their own promises, many times (AROS, case, OS list ...)

No, CUSA is no direct continuation, just a licencee. Opposingly, AmigaOS 4 is a direct rework and improvement of OS 3.x. I can tell it to ya in Croatian, too

Its seems monkey makes the world go around. There are no direct Amiga boards because each time they were produced by MAI Logic/Eyetech, Acube, PlanB/Genesi and now A-EON/Varisys. But these models are listed as Amigas of today, and CUSA will not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_models_and_variants#Unofficial_Amiga_compatible_models
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga#AmigaOS_4_systems

It was explained even by AmigaInc that all that is left from AMIGA is AmigaOS.
Why? Like you say, Commodore Amiga line died in 1994. Naturally, Amigas of today are boards that can run new incarnation of AmigaOS. Its not opinion, these are facts. Opinion is are they better/worse then someone elses product

About old CBM: I have been giving them very hard money back in 90s (salary in Serbia was 3 DM at 1993) and still we had demo scene, national magazine, hardware supplier etc. But I never could understand Commodore. Realise first CD multimedia device (CDTV) and then let it fail without much promo and software. Make A500+ and A600+ to waste time instead of pushing A1200 year before. Making A4000 with IDE and slower CPU instead of realising A3000 style machine with Genlock, SCSI, AGA, fast 040 or 060 ... Realise CD32 and let a lot of A1200 remakes instead of new juicy games, as well as no Aikiko expansion to make other Amigas fully compatibile (at least as software emulating). Even A1200 14Mhz CPU was a joke at the time it was realised. A1000, A2000 and A3000 are real respect Amigas, as well as A4000T and DraCo but were way too expensive for normal users.

Compared to those prices, Acube is cheap Don`t forget:
Its not made in Taiwan, its a small market small component volumes high prices,
and they have to make even R&D for new boards out of it! Its not repacking with Amiga sticker

Well ... CUSA is now AmigaInc revamped, just with some idea.

Who spits on AmigaOS by name? You sometimes, but rarely, more AussieAmigan, x86 Amigist and few new cult followers who insist on x86 supermacy without real AmigaOS x86 or support for AROS and ARESOne (who is a competing machine to CUSA`s and way better in idea and bundled software). If I would go back to all CUSA ignited flames, maybe I could get about 5 more names. And CUSA FAQ is also big spit to Amiga history. Looks like they have been asking themselves and giving big corporate lie answers. Just the style I dslike. That is the opinion.

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@vox

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CUSA has been crucified just because the complete idea and move was not known to anyone within this small Amiga community and looked like AmigaInc way to revenge (sell everything Amiga to those who can do the dummiest exploit) As told before, they have broken their own promises, many times (AROS, case, OS list ...)

As fa as i know, CUSA contacted Hyperion in order to cooperate. Hyperion refused
it and in panic , after they heard about the CUSA right to license Amiga name,
threatens among forums with court cases? Or I am wrong?
Is there any proof that AInc is doing any type of revenge via CUSA? Show me one,
perhaps I missed something. Why did Hyperion not get the license right s on Amiga name?
If they wanted it so? How come that they did not got and the name too? It`s a fundamental
mistake to develop something without the rights on the base name of it?


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Well ... CUSA is now AmigaInc revamped, just with some idea.

Explain me that in a bit higher resolution. This is too much pixelised ...more details please..


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Who spits on AmigaOS by name? You sometimes, but rarely,

I got my first Amiga 1992.... saying that I spit on it is equal saying me that i spit on my
family ...

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@eXec

Lets say every story has two sides. From my (Amiga community side) Amiga Inc lost the case, decided not deal with Amiga anymore (AmigaDE and Snowman maybe) and everyone was happy with OS4 getting updated, EP460 out and X1000 announced ... when out of the sky Amiga name was sold to unknown no one, whos fans started to threat Amiga.org and Amigaworld.net that they abuse their licenced name and logo !??

Well, while there was one sentence that it might be broke of AmigaInc/Hyperion settlement, HyperionMP never mentioned it again. No, its not braking that settlement, but now with Workbench 5 name there could be. So CUSA was there to learn the school and didn`t. Again, CUSA never said they approached Hyperion in any way, their fans instantly called OS4 worthless and kind of old piece of junk style. Can you please send a reference to this?

Revenge is that if CUSA can`t make anything out of Amiga, they can sell it to someone that has guts to do such recycling of Amiga without AmigaOS. Like body without soul or car without engine, someone who will heavily invest in PR which Hyperion and Acube can`t and will make kind of Amiga instead of real AmigaOS
while paying either royalties per machine or one big check to AmigaInc to let them survive, even they don`t deserve so. So CUSA and their customers and their fans are last AmigaInc zombies to me.

However, you have not answered the broken promises by CUSA?

That is all possible support to AROS (still in their announcemnt of new Amiga),
Amiga dream case or similar A1200 design and x86 AmigaOS promised by his fans as something "advanced"

I still see the cloacking device.

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