@olegil

"paying 20000 EUR to Hyperion to have the OS working and then paying 100EUR per board on top of that for the license isn't going to cut it. "

How did the Peg2 happen then? ACube paid that 20000??????

Not looked after DDR3 SODIMM yet.

But I stumbled up on a interesting design to learn from:
Kontron picoITX board.

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@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote: How did the Peg2 happen then? ACube paid that 20000?

ACube is Hyperion hardware partner and sells the AOS4 version for Peg2 exactly how they sell AOS4 version for Sam440 or Sam460.

For details about the contract between ACube and Hyperion you should ask ACube or Hyperion. Values like 15000$ US (20000$ US) where mentioned earlier by Ben Hermans, and even the AOS4.1 port for Classic Amigas needed someone who ordered it (AmiKit) . I still think this type of marketing is one of the main reasons why ports for other PPC hardware (example YDL workstation )had not happened.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@KimmoK

Show that (or the Raspberry Pi) to any Amigan (yourself included) and the immediate response is "I need it in a standard form factor. Maybe add some slots. Make it cheaper. Must be 3GHz+"

Personally I wouldn't want ANYTHING that cannot be easily mounted in an ATX case (I'm not saying it must be ATX spec, just have holes and slots match up so can be mounted in ATX if you don't want a custom case).

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@olegil

It seems we were really talking bout different things here

Now if I wanted to compile the linux-kernel 10 times per hour from scratch than I would search for a CPU with the best overall performance (Intel Xeon ? IBM Power7 ? some AMD ? but surely not some SoC targeted for routers) and make sure the whole source stays in RAM or atleast on SSD.

I would offcourse NOT run it under an AOS or anything similar primitive and I would surely not expect more than 12 other persons in the world to have the same demands

I thought we were talking bout systems targeted at desktop-user, bedroom-coders, hobbyist ect....

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@olegil

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Have you tried getting hold of any SODIMM sockets for DDR3? I just tried and came up with N O T H I N G. Digi-key have 5 pages worth of hits and it's all "call us for quotations" and "minimum order quantity 4500" and stuff. What's up with that? All other connectors on my list are available from singles up.

RS-Online has pricing for em with different quantity... Linky.

@Kronos

Maybe YOU would prefer to have ONE very fast core for compiling, but most people who DO any compiling would actually disagree.

Linux code tree was obviously just one example. There are several examples. I shouldn't have to list them all. If you have ALL your code in ONE textfile that compiles directly to an executable, YOUR code will not benefit from having many cores. But in my case I routinely have a whole BUNCH of sources that compile to a whole BUNCH of objects before being linked to MULTIPLE binaries. This benefits a LOT from having many cores. Having 12 dual-threaded cores at 2+GHz would benefit my coding style more than having a single core of 4+GHz would benefit yours

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This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@AmigaBlitter

The Power architecture is a dongle to keep the machines from being easily copied.

@persia

Slight variation on post 86, there.

Yes. With no cheaper motherboards using the same CPU available it's easy to lock people into buying the hardware from you.

But I've been thinking. Why would they lock people in to purchasing hardware from them if they loose money on each and every unit sold? Isn't it better to sell the IDEA (Platon FTW) of a gaming console and then provide a distribution path for software targetting said idea of a console? Surely that would earn them more money?

Not that I have ever understood a single decision Sony has ever made (1080i instead of 720p, BETA instead of VHS etc). Their minds seem to just work differently.

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This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@olegil

Yes, they lose money on every console, but the make it up on volume ;) Well actually they make it up on game sales. The reason to lock people into your console instead of a clone is simple. If I were to clone a PS3 (or Wii or XBox) I wouldn't clone in all the copy protection that they do. I'd build an already modded version, ready to play those games I just burned onto my own DVDs....

In case someone has not read anything about next gen e6500 core chips, here's nice intro video:
http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/QorIQ-Advanced-Multiprocessing;Only-Engineering-TV-Videos

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It's seems that both PS4 and XBox 720 will switch to x86 this time.

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@AmigaBlitter

Is there now more than rumors?

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@KimmoK

Don't know. Talking Moles are here and there.

Btw, only Nintendo openly admitted that they've choosed IBM PPC.

I think that it's already time to think about the next Amiga PPC chip. A desktop oriented PPC chip, but a SOC would be nice too.

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@Hondo

Because it's dead?.

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@thread

What PPC CPU could be a good candidate as the next Amiga chip?

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@AmigaBlitter

Power 7+ would be nice. The problem is it'd be very expensive to get in. Perhaps the WiiU CPU?


@Thread,
It appears there are more mobile gamers than console gamers. While IBM did well in the current generation of consoles I think they'll need to expand the PowerPC into mobile applications. ARM is ruling the day there. MIPS is supposedly coming to the table. I would expect PowerPC would be useful too.

First Power PC chip was made in 1990, with a single core, and at 30Mhz. The Power 7+ series is an 8 core chip running at an estimated 5.3Ghz.

@BrianK

It wouldn't make sense to enter a saturated market like mobile CPUs, especially when PowerPC is doing perfectly well in another market. Anyone saying PPC is dead is forgetting where it's still successfull - the embedded market - a spin-off of which was the CPUs used in things like the Sam machines.

Think the Wii2's CPU makes alot of sense to my uninformed speculative mind.

too bad games would need a crazy wii mote to work on it and only home brew would be leagle.
assuming it had the same ATI card, I would wonder what an emulator would be like....

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@Spirantho

Actually, PPC is not doing as well in the embedded market as it used to. It's been losing market share to x86 and ARM. Hence the Freescale ARM announcement.

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@WolfToTheMoon

I agree it's not doing as well as it used to, but it's by no means anywhere near as dead as some of the people on the forum would have you believe. Plus there are still some large backers behind it so it's by no means over for it yet.

I just get a little sick of all the people saying how dead PPC is dead just because it's not used any more in the particular market they themselves can see. The truth is there are still a number of developments on the PPC platform, they're just not in our area.... but nor were the AMCC ep chips yet they still facilitated some very nice little machines.

Rumour's of PowerPC's death have been greatly exaggerated....