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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
Posted on 13-Oct-2014 9:38:36
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@Metalheart

then good luck getting help with hardware problems with your amithlon pc on an amiga forum while you keep to insist to call it an amiga. dont you see the sillyness yourself?

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@wawa

ok, I'll bite....

When I was running Amithlon, I DID get help on these forums. So thats nonsense.

Anyway thats not the point, is it ?

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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Please don't fight. In my point of view A500 with Red and Green light with Action Replay IV, extramemory((512-8meg),hd + all joystick adapters and bells and whistels is the only if DigiView Gold IV. Tac-2 too and some more forgotten.

Then the A1200. PIV and 060

Next the XE

They run AmigaOS as does Pegasos II.

Been there, seen that. Only Amiga makes this possible;)



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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@thread

Did I just hit my head and wake up 10 years ago?

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@Metalheart

and to get that help you described your hardware as what? amiga or have you mentioned that this is sam or amithlon?

well, you can call things by name or you can call it whatever fantasy names, its up to you, but it doesnt change the much for the rest of population.

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Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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@RobertJDohnert

I still fail to see how your distribution is amiga-related and you have never explained why it is. You have also done a lot of promises (or plans however you call it inlcuding dates) and not done anything. You have also promised that there would be someone in your house supporting the community but I have never heard anything about it again.

So not really convincing I would say

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@amigasociety

PutzOne?

And what are the 100% exactly?

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@ssolie

What was the plan that came together?

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tlosm 
Re: Trevor's Amiga Blog
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Amiga was a computer Line Brand the os was AmigaDOS (1000 / 500) after AmigaOs when the HD come inside it ... the desk of the computer was call Workbench for differ from Desk of Apple System Dos (boring and Black & White)

AmigaOS continue be AmigaOs from AmigaOS 2.x to AmigaOS 4.1.x


Analisys of Branding macintosh machine

Apple Machintosh
Apple Machintosh LcII
Power Mac 6100
Power Mac Performa
Power Mac G3
MacMini
Imac
MacBook
MacPro

Amiga Brand was Amiga 1000, Amiga 2000, Amiga 500 and so and so..

Take the last Amiga build from commodore

Amiga 4000 Ec 30
Amiga 4000 040
Amiga 4000 CR 040


The new NG amiga
Amiga One 500 (acube)
Amiga One X1000 (aeon)
Amiga One X5000 (aeon)

I dont see much differences with the Aeon Amiga Name with the Past brand line

I have to say thank you to Trevor and all the guys who made possible us to speack about hardware amiga or ng amiga




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@salass00

It is a religion, didn´t you know?

BTW it is religious for many AmigaOS users too, isn´t it?

I only say "only true successor...", "only future" and so on

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@tlosm

I think you missed the point here. As I understand it some people dislike it that they made the "One" in the name to "one" and very very small like not related so that only "AMIGA" is still there but for many people this brand is not related to the hardware of a-eon (or any other PPC hardware) but to 68k with custom chipsets. You can agree or disagree there but people think that way, the same discussion was with the number, they seemed to want to call it 4000 but even NG users thought that this goes to far.

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@OlafS25

If people need custom chips have to return in 90 the because from 2000 no more machine with custom chips was released or they prefer a machine with all itegrated like the worstest office pc or gaming console "custom with standard components?"
I think the worst in the first amiga machine was the less expandibility and really expensive who remember how much was prizing a 20mb hd for amiga 500 ? or a Vxl ?

The right way is have expandability with standard pc market components with the big difference who differ from everything the cpu :) PPC i love it , plus the Xorro slot who can gave good extra expandability if adopded as a standard .

Have an Amiga x86 will be like have a Mac x86 ... Mac X86 = expensive good manifactured but standard power and simple hacked by standard pc hardware (hackintosh).

We are a little community and inside it more little is who buy new hardware ... if an x86 os or x86 machine will be relased something will change ? I think Not and Cusa was the example .

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@tlosm

I agree... the time where new hardware really could have changed something was in the mid 90s when there still was commercial market and much more users and developers. Today AmigaOS on X86 would not make a real difference, expecially if running on custom (and thus expensive) boards.

But the discussion was not about that but that the responsible parties in the AmigaOS camp try to take over the heritage and (most) others outside do not like that. They can say they do not care about it but that will make it not easier to sell their hardware. Trevor could post that they will change the design and all discussion would end.

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@Rob

Quote:

Rob wrote:
@kamelit0

Quote:
Is the PS4 not a Playstation because it's based on X86 CPU and AMD GPU?


Better still, is the Xbox One not a real Xbox?

Then why not just take out away ONE and the X from the name then and call it AMIGA 5000 ?

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@Manu

And why not call it Amy 5k ? ;)


@Olaf
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Trevor could post that they will change the design and all discussion would end.

Design? you means cosmetic ?
I dont know if have a machine inside a monitor will change the way of the vision of people ... The good of the free motherboard is buy a casis style that user like.
Example for my home space i will prefer have the desktop machine and not tower... some one will prefer have the tower some other the machine inside the monitor like the imac...
Or some other call Loriano and install the machine in the keyboard ... but amiga was a desktop computer from beginning :P

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@tlosm

I personal do not care much because it will not bring them real benefits. The existing community knows about it so no advantage. People from outside who accidently find a amiga site will look at the alternatives too, if the "One" is big or small. They only anger parts of the existing community who defend the heritage. When I am running Aros Vision in UAE it is "Amiga" for me too. Would I try to sell it in public under the name, no because it is still Aros Vision running in emulation. Would a FPGA based hardware emulating the amiga chipset including 68k processor be Amiga? It would at least come nearest but still not being Amiga for everyone. If you talk to former amigans who were not part of the community for a long time and ask what they think if they hear "Amiga" they would certainly say "A500" or similar, not PPC. Is a used Mac running MorphOS Amiga? You could personal call it that way because it runs Amiga software but general it is still a used Mac. The same for Aros on a PC.

It is simply having respect of the feelings of others (even if being legal to do that way)

If it is only "cosmetic" then it should be no problem to change it.

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Posted on 13-Oct-2014 12:13:36
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@OlafS25

Im assuming ssolie's post was more a "troll" cause this thread has derailed into something which there is little reason to waste time posting in (for another day or two until people get bored with the "spam").

I do enjoy reading your posts tho, and phoenix's for that matter, regardless what you call your version of "Amiga" heritage.
In the same way I enjoy reading about AEONs actual developments, future plans (and dreams).

I tend to take it for what it is, and try to see the positives. Constructive critisism is always good, but perpetual negativity for the sake of it aint.

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@Overflow

I try not being too emotional and not critisize others for their choice. I left the platform a long time ago (mid 90s) and a lot of things have changed since then. I had to learn a lot about the remaining community since I returned

I think Trevor has heared the message and draw the right conclusions

I hope I do not "piss off" people now and in future even when I disagree (and say that). Besides of that it is interesting to discuss with people like you and others who have different views, otherwise it would be boring

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@OlafS25

I love my amiga classic and like much the new AmigaOS becasue "i feel stay at home" but use every day with extremly pleasure my Quad G5 and some time my intel Macs at home ... and at work i use windows on an HP deskpc or my macbook pro.

What we need before a name , before a case on AmigaOs or on Morphos i continue say from many time good video drivers 2d and 3d ... Memory protection like windows,linux and osx 64bit Os and software ... software and software

the software problem can be resolved with kind of compatibility in kernel like is petunia for x86 and why not arm too and this is possible today thanks to open sources ... 5xxx hipervision + Qemu user + Passthru + wine can gave a good compatibility for close the gap for many software that was not present on AmigaOs... but for have it will be need close the gap of 2gb of ram and so and so ...
After this i think people can speak about cosmetics and ONE or one or 1 ;)

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@Overflow

I agree, and every one knows that AmigaONE is better and faster then Amiga anyway. So way argue over it

OCS/AGA chipset is not fast :-/ even back in 90's, 3D Games and Adventure games mostly came out for PC's, because the Amiga computers lacked Graphic RAM and Hard drives, and chipset was too slow.

Now at least we are using the best chips on the market Radeon. We now have many times faster transfer speed on the PCIe bus then what was ever possible on Zorro3.

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