@wawa

How so?

Not all software you buy last forever.

I got Windows versions lying around in CDs that are obsolete.

Do I throw tantrums over the limitations of Windows 95?

Nope, I look at what I personally want to do with my hardware see what Im willing to pay for it.
If what a Software Company (or any company for that matter) is offering a product
that doesnt meet my requirements, I wont buy it.
If I do decide to buy it its after Ive read up about/researched it, its capabilities and limitations would not come as a suprise to me.

The money I spent back then has paid itself back in increased userfriendliness,
but progress never stops. State of art software becomes obsolete.
What made my life easy 15 years ago would today feel cumbersome and annoying.

In the case of Amiga;

In the 90s I was used to the 13-14 inch monitor and doing my spreadsheet on TurboCalc I belive it was called.
Today I could not imagine being without dual 23 inch LCD screens, just due to the convinience and the fact that Ive grown accustomed to that level of userfriendliness.
Over the years userdemand increases.
We compare mass produced hard and software that got billions of dollars behind it vs a very smallscale enterprise.

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OK folks, in response to several requests I have removed some posts and replies to them.

Arko, this thread is about "AmiWest 2012 Clarifications". Questions are asked and questions are answered. If you don't like the answer then too bad, but don't hang around here just throwing muck for the sake of it.

Last warning. I don't mind a bit of debate, but this isn't a firing range.

Thank you.

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@wawa

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so far i know clusteruk is both aros and os4 supporter, aeon customer and he certainly always has tried to speak in favour an popularize both x1k and os4. so whats that about?

clusteruk: "Really thats not my impression,"

Sounds rather negative to me as well, not the best way to start a conversation or collaborate. People are so quick to jump on Hyperion, but there are 3 camps involved here & after years of fighting, just try to get all 3 to hug each other. Collaboration is required by all, not just one party.

And you aren't in the best position to interogate ssolie.

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@OlafS25

I can't answer for ssolie, but the MorpOS developers have said that mos would never be ported to any system that runs OS4. AROS is now running on PPC SAMs & Sam Crow has said he would see about getting it going on the A1 & X1000, something I asked about at Amiwest.

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@sundown

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I can't answer for ssolie, but the MorpOS developers have said that mos would never be ported to any system that runs OS4.

Uh, bullflower.

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@itix

Please prove me wrong.

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@sundown

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sundown wrote: @OlafS25 I can't answer for ssolie, but the MorpOS developers have said that mos would never be ported to any system that runs OS4.

Can you provide a link to such statement? I have never seen such a statement made by any of the MorphOS Developers, and I try to keep up on everything that they say, when they make any statements, as those occasions are sort of rare.

Since you are making that statement about someone else, or a group of people, I think it is up to you to provide the proof, as it would be impossible for itix to prove a negative.

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@sundown

MorphOS was ported to Mac Mini.

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@itix

I'm sure sundown meant that MOS will not be ported to any HW that is made by the "RED" camp.

In real life, I believe MOS team might port MOS to every and any viable/sensible PPC HW, with (far) more potential users than 100 or so.

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@amigadave

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Can you provide a link to such statement?

Not off hand, but I do recall it being said.

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I think it is up to you to provide the proof, as it would be impossible for itix to prove a negative.

itix knows what I mean, mos will not be ported to the A1 or x1000, the hate is too great. Wish I was wrong, but the fact it hasn't been done says a lot.



@itix
The mac does not run OS4 & you know it. Now tell us if the mos developers are willing to port their OS to the A1/x1000 or not. Only requires a yes or no answer, easy.

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@ssolie

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Quote: Really thats not my impression, happy to discuss though see what kind of collaboration, my confusion is on the "We are".

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Quote: I think that is a pretty low blow. Not a great way to establish trust.

I find it interesting that you think this is a low blow and mention trust, I have tried in the background to do this with no success.

Perhaps you can explain the collaboration that Hyperion is planning or carrying out with Aros because I am curious. Normally I would make this private conversation but I feel the future of our community deserves collaboration between all platforms so I would be interested in the answer.

So has Hyperion had a change of heart and is Aros now a friend with a group of developers to work with. After all as I and many others have mentioned, we are stronger together than apart. I know there are issues to resolve but this community has the intellect to fix these problems.

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@sundown

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sundown wrote: @amigadave [quote]itix knows what I mean, mos will not be ported to the A1 or x1000, the hate is too great. Wish I was wrong, but the fact it hasn't been done says a lot.

Can't have nothing to do that it isn't worth of doing it to get 2-3 licences sold.

@sundown

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The mac does not run OS4 & you know it.

Acube has ported OS4 to Mac.

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Now tell us if the mos developers are willing to port their OS to the A1/x1000 or not.

We are not willing to port MorphOS to AmigaOne or SAM.

FYI Acube contacted us before OS4 port for SAM440 even existed. Unfortunately AmigaOne and SAM hardware is too expensive and its supply is too limited to be supported by the MorphOS team.

What hardware has to do with OS4/AROS/MorphOS collaboration anyway?

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@Rose

The main point is, collaboration as stated requires the 3 camps to agree, I have my doubts about the mos camp willing to agree to jump in. I don't expect all 3 camps to merge, just be nice to see some sharing of info. This isn't something that will happen overnight & I see the burden being put on ssolie & no one else.

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@sundown

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mos will not be ported to the A1 or x1000, the hate is too great. Wish I was wrong, but the fact it hasn't been done says a lot.

No it does not. What it does say is that the cost for MorphOS team is greater than any potential gain in that particular area.

Let me ask you: Why wasn't OS4 ported to Efika 5200B? Does it mean that "the hate is too great" in your opinion too?

@itix

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We are not willing to port MorphOS to AmigaOne or SAM.

Thank you for clarifying that part, that's your choice, I don't like it, but I can live with it. Now tell us if you're willing to collaborate in any way with the OS4 developers. Fab has ported a few programs to OS4, nice, would love to see more of the same.

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@recedent

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Why wasn't OS4 ported to Efika 5200B? Does it mean that "the hate is too great" in your opinion too?

I don't know, there is hate on both sides for sure, but can't we try to end it?

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@sundown

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Thank you for clarifying that part, that's your choice, I don't like it, but I can live with it. Now tell us if you're willing to collaborate in any way with the OS4 developers. Fab has ported a few programs to OS4, nice, would love to see more of the same.

I Think that first step would be get that statement from someone who is actually employed by Hyperion. You know, the person who likes to state that MorphOS and AROS are illegal. Otherwise this offer doesn't have any value.

@Rose

Ok, so collaboration is out of the question, glad we finally figured that out at last, put this arqument to bed & thats where I'm headed now.

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@sundown

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sundown wrote: @itix Quote: We are not willing to port MorphOS to AmigaOne or SAM. Thank you for clarifying that part, that's your choice, I don't like it, but I can live with it. Now tell us if you're willing to collaborate in any way with the OS4 developers. Fab has ported a few programs to OS4, nice, would love to see more of the same.

LOL, a few programs? Without MUIOWB you would have to resort on a crippled FF version that sometimes doesn't even import bookmarks or to an outdated OWB port that looks more like an old mobile browser. If you want more MorphOS programs, support the developers and switch to that platform. Many OS4 did it already. Plus, collaboration is both ways, name me 1 important program that a core OS4 developer has ported to any other amiga - like OS.

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