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Amiboy 
Re: Nibiru, what if ? - Part 4
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@Lou

Atleast try and answer the question being put to you.

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I think you're missing the point. When you see something at a distance, you see it there and then assume a highly circular orbit and make your calculation.
Newer articles have since postulated that it's an exoplanet (like Nibiru) and that it's orbit is not circular
....
In the picture in that link, you can see it's very close to circular

Okay, thanks I now understand on how you and the Stichin supports made the error in assumptions. Next time, I'd recommend you guys read the scientific papers.

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http://www.cellularuniverse.org/AA3AetherHistory.htm

Nimrods need not understand.

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@Amiboy

What question? I answer nothing asked by a nimrod that never grasps the full context of RP because all he provides is empty excuses talking about how little radiation stars emit while ignoring how much they block.

Nimrod is as nimrod does.

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@BrianK

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@Lou

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I think you're missing the point. When you see something at a distance, you see it there and then assume a highly circular orbit and make your calculation.
Newer articles have since postulated that it's an exoplanet (like Nibiru) and that it's orbit is not circular
....
In the picture in that link, you can see it's very close to circular

Okay, thanks I now understand on how you and the Stichin supports made the error in assumptions. Next time, I'd recommend you guys read the scientific papers.

Quite the opposite. The challenge is really for skeptics to prove that it isn't Nibiru. The fact that the assumption that a large-mass exoplanet exists in our system is a huge slap in the face to anti-Sichinists.

I find it completely amusing that the burden of proof is always pointed in my direction. Prove that it isn't Nibiru because the co-incidences show that it is. Sitchin's work is a constant stream of co-incidences that make coherent sense. As the co-incidences keep piling up, at some point you have to start to think - well what if...he was right... Hence if this exoplanet walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Prove to me that it's not Nibiru. "Guestimates"/"Estimates" of orbital length don't cut the mustard.

The term "exoplanet" is pretty new. Funny how Sitchin called it for what it was in the 1970's...a planet (actually mini-system) that was captured into our star system. Just another co-incidence I guess...

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@Lou

Gravity wave 2nd detection. I see a next step as building a whole new set of system to error check LIGO.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jun/15/gravitational-waves-detected-from-collision-of-second-set-of-black-holes-ligo

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Quite the opposite. The challenge is really for skeptics to prove that it isn't Nibiru. The fact that the assumption that a large-mass exoplanet exists in our system is a huge slap in the face to anti-Sichinists.

Again you have logic on it's head. The ones making the claim have the responsibility to prove their claim. So, in this case the Stichins that claim Planet9 is really Nibiru must prove Planet9 has all those properties Stichin told us about decades ago. The problem here is the characteristics of Nibiru that Stichin laid out are not the characteristics of Planet9. What would help is an actual discovery of such a body perhaps both are partially right, one is fully right, or both are completely wrong. Until we have a true identified planet we won't know.

For example - not finding planet Vulcan made us look deeper into Gravity and our better understanding of Gravity appears to work without Vulcan. Thus, Einsteinian Gravity is more correct than Newtonian.


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I find it completely amusing that the burden of proof is always pointed in my direction.
You made the claim that Planet9 and Nibiru are the same. So therefore you accept the burden of proof to demonstrate you're correct. And while you're boohoing that it's up to you, realize both Nimrod and I have provided the differences between CalTech's statements and Stichin's statements. Thereby we took on the burden of proof to demonstrate why they're not the same. (I'd argue the Stichins even know they aren't the same that's why they said so on their page and then the son tried to reformulate what Dad said .)

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The term "exoplanet" is pretty new. Funny how Sitchin called it for what it was in the 1970's...a planet (actually mini-system) that was captured into our star system. Just another co-incidence I guess
Nice try. There are more than just a captured planet that have been given as characteristics of Nibiru. You need to match ALL the characteristics (or a least come semi-close.) As I said Nimrod and I already took the burden of proof to show where they differ. To recap/for example there are some fairly big differences such as size of planets greatly different as does period of travel.

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@Lou

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Lou wrote:
http://www.cellularuniverse.org/AA3AetherHistory.htm

Nimrods need not understand.

It was because of Fresnels calculations that required a stationary luminiferous Aether that the Michelson Morley experiment could be carried out. Fresnels calculations led to a prediction that the luminiferous Aether would cause specific fringe shifts in equipment like the experimental setup for the Michelson Morley experiment. Not only were the anicipated fringe shifts not observed, and never have been observed. No fringe shift even as large as 0.1% of the anticipated figure.
Once again you have posted a steaming heap of verbal diarrhoea you found on a midden in the hope that it will fool somebody./

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@BrianK

More evidence confirming Einsteins predictions has come to the surface. Scientists announced the successful detection of ripples in spacetime.

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@Lou

So while you're off trying to convince yourself the properties of Nibiru (Planet11) are the same as Cal-Tech's Planet9. There is another option here. Perhaps there's more planets.

http://www.sciencealert.com/astronomers-say-there-could-be-at-least-2-more-mystery-planets-in-our-solar-system

Which might be good for the Nibiruananaheads. Because now we could get that count back up towards 11 for you.

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@Nimrod

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@BrianK

More evidence confirming Einsteins predictions has come to the surface. Scientists announced the successful detection of ripples in spacetime.
Indeed

Did you see this?
@Lou you should look too.

It appears the microwaves escaping the enclosed the "EMdrive" that NASA built give a small thrust and therefore movement. So apparently this doesn't violate the laws of physics as some have contended.
http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/adva/6/6/10.1063/1.4953807

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@Nimrod

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Nimrod wrote:
@BrianK

More evidence confirming Einsteins predictions has come to the surface. Scientists announced the successful detection of ripples in spacetime.

Einstein predicted ether. It's ignorant backlash and nimrodic misinterpretation of the M-M experiment that encouraged him to semi-retract it only to call it something else by another name. 'gravity waves' are measurements of ether flux. Get over it.

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@BrianK

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Did you see this?
@Lou you should look too.

It appears the microwaves escaping the enclosed the "EMdrive" that NASA built give a small thrust and therefore movement. So apparently this doesn't violate the laws of physics as some have contended.
http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/adva/6/6/10.1063/1.4953807


Make sure you read Section 4: What is the vacuum?
A nimrod will not understand... Hey, remember those pilot waves?

It gets better in the following section explaining what gravity is.... LMFAO!
I mean WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT!

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@Lou
It was Lorenz who tried to build a theory of relativity on top of a foundation of Aetherial hypotheses. He failed
It was only by giving the mathematics of Lorentzian electrodynamics a new, "non-aether" context that Einstein was able to make his (Possibly her) equations work. He also later said that the theory of relativity was "ripe for discovery" and that it was only the determination to cling to an unevidenced hypothesis that had held back scientific progress.

On a lighter note it seems that the standard model may indeed soon need updating as the Large Hadron Collider seems to have found an unanticipated "bump" at the 750 GeV mark. Of course this will all need the rather boring process of crosschecking and review that you find so objectionable, but if it is confirmed then at last the "standard model" will indeed be due for an update, and new real discoveries can be made without needing to rely on failed science fiction like the C.R.A.P. Sitchin has contaminated the world with.

News

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To connect to the title of the thread: I know Lou is a proponent for the existence of Niburu. A would be planet the should be at a distance of 100+ AU from the sun. The existence of such a planet doesn't seem impossible but can you explain what kind of beings would develop on a world without any trace of liquid water, sunlight or heat (it's surface temperate has got to be below -260 centigrade)? Some scientist theorize that microbial life may have developed on Titan, the largest moon on Saturn, as there is an equivalent of the hydrological cycle present but it is based on methane/ethane. The problem is that, on planets at the distance that Niburu is supposed to be from the Sun, the temperatures are so close to absolute zero that even those substances are frozen solid.

So who are the Niburians? They must be visitors from another star system that has built a society on Niburu. But why? Why not build it on a celestial body a lot closer to the sun? Even if the are deliberately hiding from us you could do that on a lot more cosy place where the closest star doesn't look like any other star in the sky.


edit: typo

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@Niolator

You have a lot of reading to do on Nibiru.

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http://phys.org/news/2016-07-scientists-invisible-dark.html

Nimrods across the world continue to be wrong...

/yawn

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@Lou

And so do you.

/Yawn

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@Lou
In a situation where you can't find your car keys, and they are not in the first place you looked, do you assume that they don't exist, or do you look elsewhere.
Scientists have been looking for a mere three years for dark matter according to the article, hardly an exhaustive search. Do you know how long it took from Giordano bruno postulating that the stars were not twinkly lights glued to the inside of a crystal dome over a flat earth at the centre of the universe but distant suns possibly orbited by worlds of their own, to scientists actually detecting extrasolar planets.

And since we haven't actually landed an astronaut on one of them are you going to pretend that we haven't proved their existence. I'm not, because the evidence is conclusive, unlike the waffle, and bullshit you insist on posting.

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@Nimrod

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In a situation where you can't find your car keys, and they are not in the first place you looked, do you assume that they don't exist, or do you look elsewhere.
Scientists have been looking for a mere three years for dark matter according to the article, hardly an exhaustive search. Do you know how long it took from Giordano bruno postulating that the stars were not twinkly lights glued to the inside of a crystal dome over a flat earth at the centre of the universe but distant suns possibly orbited by worlds of their own, to scientists actually detecting extrasolar planets.

And since we haven't actually landed an astronaut on one of them are you going to pretend that we haven't proved their existence. I'm not, because the evidence is conclusive, unlike the waffle, and bullshit you insist on posting.
An important item to note, as well, is many of the assertions from Lou's creative universe bs have been around for centuries, if not more. They haven't been able to stand the test of time. But, somehow they're now perfectly correct?




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