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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 31-Jul-2018 20:22:56
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About the same as my 68060.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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Without any optimization at all, yes

Gunnar stated that Apollo 68080 has a "Little Endian Compatibility Mode" that could considerabily boost X86 emulation if used by any emulator.
This, plus 68080 optimized code, could IMHO emulate either a very fast 486 or low end Pentium


EDIT:
Plus, SAGA can provide compartibility with standard PC GFX modes (I guess EGA/VGA screen modes), that if used by the emulator would speed up things even more

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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or low end Pentium


That would be cca 1/3 of native performance. Not impossible, but I doubt anyone will make such emulation.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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Speedincrease on Core 2.11 (Not released yet);

Compare the start result in original post with Gunnars last version,

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I suppose that Jim Drew could build a specific version of'his PC emulator for the Vampire. Other possibility is to reverse engineer PC Task and do a binary patch.

 
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Meanwhile...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mister+ao486

:p

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Vampire 500 Booting Windows 98 (Amiga 500)

PC-Task4.4 running Win98.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3DQzr8VVY8

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Does it work with some Windows only games or applications (eg. MS Works/MS Office)? Plain boot is - well - not that much useful.

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@Overflow

I see that Gunnar is stating...

"existing x86 FPGA cores are slower than running PC-Task on AMIGA with APOLLO."

This is MiSTer with ao486 core, running win98:

https://youtu.be/cdMd4kKhCh0

What do you think?

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@kolla

Gunnar says a lot of things :P

If the 2 videos above are any indication though, it's like a snail with an elongated perception of time, travelling through molasses (apollo core running pc-task) vs. a regular thinking snail doing it's thing unhindered (ao486).

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Quote:

Gunnar says a lot of things :P


Indeed, and he has a certain "distortion field" around him.

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@kolla

Kolla... he is obviously not the only one. What do you think?

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he is obviously not the only one.


Welcome to the AmigaWorld!

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I feel at home

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Quote:

OlafS25 wrote:
What do you think?


I think his ways of exaggerating the capabilities of the Apollo Core products seriously hurts his own project. That is what I think.

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Admittedly he seems to be sometimes overenthusiastic but it seems to be part of his motivation. You should not take everything 100% seriously what he says. The vast majority of vampire owners seem to be happy with what they get, I can only remember of few owners moaning. You do not do a favor to you too. Seriously hurting would only be true if lots of people would buy it based on unrealistic expectations and are disappointed but that is not the case. Most people are aware of what they get. The few that are constantly moaning on almost any amiga forum are no longer taken seriously too...

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@kolla

The MISTER is using the 486 instructions in the fpga pratically is not like the vampire ... vampire is emulating and result look like good for the old PCTask 4. Will be cool have that ao486 core running on the fpga on the vapire for see how it performs

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@kolla

Quote:

kolla wrote:
@kamelit0

Meanwhile...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mister+ao486



MiSTer is the best existing (existing = buyable) Amiga FPGA solution.


It's cheaper than Vampire will ever be and cheaper than all the other FPGA Emulators capable running Minimig.

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@kolla

I think Gunnar also factors in the potential within the Apollo Core, if programs are adapted to utilize the new features, like AMMX.

Its obviously a moot point as long as the authors doesnt tweaks their software, or open source it.

And for the most part, I also think its mostly the Vampire users that gets carried away, not the team itself.
They are mostly pretty restrained.

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I think Gunnar also factors in the potential within the Apollo Core, if programs are adapted to utilize the new features, like AMMX.


No, he means literally what he says, there's no need to interpret him.

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