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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 23-Nov-2018 16:29:34
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kolla wrote:
I doupt very much that it is doable to make a cheap stand-alone with Apollo Core, unless you move out of FPGA and onto ASIC, but that requires quite an economic effort and guaranteed sales. I seriously doubt that there is a large enough market for such a product.


How large volume is needed to make it viable?

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gregthecanuck 
Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 24-Nov-2018 0:28:57
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@hth313

Well, estimates on an ASIC start at 500K and go up from there (to over 1Million). Let's be optimistic and say 500K. And a per unit cost after that of $20.

Current thumb-suck cost of FPGA of $80 in some sort of volume. Single-unit price is $88 from Mouser (5CEBA5F23C8N).

Cost savings per unit = $60. 500,000 / 60 = 8333 units to break even.

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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 24-Nov-2018 4:16:16
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Are you sure Pagestream is available?

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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 24-Nov-2018 11:01:25
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@DiscreetFX

Deron Kazmaier now lives in north western South Dakota and take an age to respond to his emails but PageStream is still technically for sale!

Buy PageStream

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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 24-Nov-2018 13:49:19
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PageStream is scam. Don't buy it, you'll never get a plausibly working version. I've burnt my fingers twice with it: the OS4 version (which is in alpha state at best), and the Windows version (which is a lot better but still quite unstable). No version of PageStream has been updated in eight years, which speaks volumes.

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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 24-Nov-2018 14:36:04
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the OS4 version (which is in alpha state at best),


There are stable versions of Version 4 which you'll have acess to if you buy the latest version. Version 3.2 is good enough for me but 4 has some enhancements but 5 is buggy. The last version of Photogenics was a bit buggy too sadly.

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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 24-Nov-2018 14:54:30
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I am (still) using PageStream on a professional level, 68k Version 4.0r1 10/21/99 works really stable on my OS4.1 FE / X1000.
Normally Derons E-Mail responstime is 3-5 workdays.

This for example was done with PagesStream:

http://www.geobiz.de/images/uploads/data/geobiz-leporello-2013.pdf

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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 24-Nov-2018 15:05:22
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@gerograph

Thinking about it he said my email must have got lost in his inbox and he did apologise when he eventually found it. I'dalready bought 3.1/3.2 off eBay so he lost a sale off me.

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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 24-Nov-2018 15:08:44
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@Trixie

Quote:

Trixie wrote:
@BigD

PageStream is scam. Don't buy it, you'll never get a plausibly working version. I've burnt my fingers twice with it: the OS4 version (which is in alpha state at best), and the Windows version (which is a lot better but still quite unstable). No version of PageStream has been updated in eight years, which speaks volumes.


From his website:
http://www.faroutliving.com/

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"No one on their death bed every said 'I wish I had worked more'!" - Deron Kazmaier


I guess he doesn't regret giving up working on PageStream

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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 24-Nov-2018 15:43:33
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There are stable versions of Version 4 which you'll have acess to if you buy the latest version.

Yes I know, but the thing is - I bought PgS version 5, not version 4. The fact that you get access to a 20-year-old version does not make it less scam.

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BigD 
Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 24-Nov-2018 15:55:26
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Yes I know, but the thing is - I bought PgS version 5, not version 4.


They've stopped updating 5 so it will stay buggy, hence use Version 4! No scam just common sense IMHO.

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Posted on 24-Nov-2018 17:28:36
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We've hit the point where preserving the legacy is a given. It's time to start forward moving forward.

I agree, but there's no consensus on how to "move forward."

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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 25-Nov-2018 7:51:02
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@gerograph

You did a nce job on that, it looks professionally done.

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kolla 
Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 25-Nov-2018 10:28:01
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there's no consensus on how to "move forward."


I would say that the consensus is quite obvious, as most developers and users have simply moved to other platforms and left amiga behind.

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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 25-Nov-2018 14:02:37
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Quote:

kolla wrote:
@bison

Quote:

there's no consensus on how to "move forward."


I would say that the consensus is quite obvious, as most developers and users have simply moved to other platforms and left amiga behind.


May I suggest that you might prefer to follow those developers to threads of said 'other' platforms. You may be able to muster a more positive outlook on the 'forward' direction of a 'mainstream' platform rather than AmigaOS. I'm really struggling to see what you are bringing to THIS discussion other than generally just give up?!

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Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 25-Nov-2018 15:13:00
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@BigD

Your right.
Thumb Up.



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tygre 
Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 25-Nov-2018 15:48:16
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@BigD

Where is the "Like" button when we need it?!

Cheers!

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ne_one 
Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 25-Nov-2018 18:19:35
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@kolla

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I doupt very much that it is doable to make a cheap stand-alone with Apollo Core, unless you move out of FPGA and onto ASIC, but that requires quite an economic effort and guaranteed sales. I seriously doubt that there is a large enough market for such a product.


Relative to a market where books and cases manage to get crowdfunded for $100k at a time?

The technology and the money are minor challenges.

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ne_one 
Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 25-Nov-2018 18:38:57
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@bison

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I agree, but there's no consensus on how to "move forward."


Which isn't actually the problem but rather the cause of it.

Since Commodore exited the market there hasn't been a single guiding authority. Successful commercial initiatives take into consideration community feedback but don't use it as the basis of a business plan.

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ne_one 
Re: Hyperion release "official" (pirate?) AmigaOS WB3.1 & Kickstart 3.1 updates
Posted on 25-Nov-2018 19:10:44
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@BigD

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I'm really struggling to see what you are bringing to THIS discussion other than generally just give up?!


+1

I don't think the Amiga community has ever had a shortage of cynicism.

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