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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 13-Aug-2017 10:19:31
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@pavlor

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You have some insider informations, or it is your usual Hyperion bashing?
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LOL. I vote for the 2nd option (as usual).

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 13-Aug-2017 15:20:31
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@pavlor

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As we don´t know details of the deal, we can´t blame any party.



True, but even you can understand the logic problem that I encounter on this one.

Jens brings Hyperion into the purchase ONLY because the monetary figure (purchase price ) forces him to do so.

monetary reference

Yet Hyperion constantly (give them credit for honesty on this) constantly claims limited resources re:making progress on all fronts. Plus we see the increased costs to Hyperion regarding the trademarks and other legal matters.

Does not one have to ask where this rather large sum of money (in amiga terms) would come from given the above?

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 13-Aug-2017 16:09:35
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@number6

First, we don´t know final sum of money.
Second, we don´t know, why Hyperion is not part of the deal.

This is all too uncertain to make any conclusion.

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Posted on 13-Aug-2017 16:16:20
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@pavlor

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This is all too uncertain to make any conclusion.

That excuse works the first time you use it. Or the second time. Maybe the third time too...

How often did you have to use it for Hyperion in the last eight years?

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 13-Aug-2017 16:22:42
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@cgutjahr

Do you have any other info than public posts on various forums? I know you don´t like Hyperion, but pushing (my/your) point of view shouldn´t compensate for lack of facts.

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 13-Aug-2017 16:40:06
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@pavlor

I'm simply telling you to rethink your strategy of always coming up with an excuse. This is 2017. If you had always assumed the worst during the last 23 years, you'd have been right far more often than not. Yet here you are, telling us that things might still be fine, for all we know.

And I'm not 'pushing' anything. AFAIC, Jens Schönfeld is not a reliable source for anything - way too much ego involved. But I'll simply assume the worst, because that's the safe bet.

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 13-Aug-2017 16:59:19
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@cgutjahr

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But I'll simply assume the worst, because that's the safe bet.


I never take off my rose-tinted glasses.

It seems I´m far more forgiving than other Amiga users. From my point of view any prospect of viable commercial Amiga future was killed by Blue/Red divide, so anything successfully released is unexpected bonus.

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 13-Aug-2017 23:14:07
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@number6

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number6 wrote:

Does not one have to ask where this rather large sum of money (in amiga terms) would come from given the above?


True, but this question should also have been asked every single time all the other things fell through, when all those promises about specs and developments were broken, licensed technologies that were announced but never appeared, when developers left, leaving their work stranded, the bankruptcy that were reversed, etc. The number of OS copies they have sold since 2001 could possibly only be counded in hundreds! The best business they made on OS4 was probably when it was sold bundled with Cloanto's Amiga Forever, which would be kind of ironic. Hyperion is a mirage of a business created by mythomans, pathological liars, upheld by a community of people like "Pavlor" who wants it to be true, who is drinking the kool-aid directly from the barrel. They are consumed by the thought of full-time developers and contractors working tirelessly to "bring the Amiga back", so they don't even come to think about whether it's all realistic, could it be true at all, with so few customers? Never have they asked "where does the money come from"? Sadly also developers have been fooled by the mirage, and have been burnt by it, left, never to be seen again.

Hyperion's single role in the P96 deal was to contribute with money. They obviously didn't pay. Individual Computers are still there, P96 is still there, the only part not in the context anymore is Hyperion (no monetary contribution, the deal fell through). Indeed, where would the money have come from?

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Posted on 13-Aug-2017 23:21:28
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@TRIPOS

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The number of OS copies they have sold since 2001 could possibly only be counded in hundreds!


Not if you consider the truth in what you mention below, plus the known approximately 1000 sales in the old AmigaOne market (Eyetech).

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The best business they made on OS4 was probably when it was sold bundled with Cloanto's Amiga Forever


I'm not going to claim such funds exist at this point, just wanted to be a tad more accurate concerning sales figures.

Oh, and you can take the comment about "classic being" their best seller (made at AmiWest, iirc) for another few sales, since this version came after the AmigaOne information was made public.

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