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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 13-Sep-2017 20:55:11
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@tlosm

Don't see a John-the-ripper result .

X5000/020 2.00GHZ = 807
PowerMac G5 2.00GHz =858


Quote:

tlosm wrote:
Hope is good

X5020 Phoronix complete benchmark

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No, that actually looks pretty good, doesn't it?

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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
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The test was made with modules working and available on the distro

and powermac g5 970MP?
note: you are comparing a 2017 machine vs 2004 machine.

with this specs
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Introduction Date: June 9, 2004 Discontinued Date: April 27, 2005
Processors: 2 Geekbench 2: 1702
Processor Speed: 2.0 GHz Processor Type: PowerPC 970fx (G5) x2
Details: The PowerPC 970fx "G5" has 64-bit data paths and registers with native support for 32-bit application code. Apple also reports that it includes a "parallel data structure supporting up to 215 simultaneous in-flight instructions, [and] simultaneous issue of up to 10 out-of-order operations." It likewise has a "dual-pipeline Velocity Engine for 128-bit single-instruction, multiple-data (SIMD) processing, two independent double-precision floating-point units, [and] advanced three-stage branch-prediction logic."

Also see: How fast are dual processor Power Mac G5 models compared to earlier ones?
Processor Upgrade: G5 Daughtercard FPU: Integrated
Details: The Power Macintosh G5 models have the processor(s) mounted on a custom 300-pin daughtercard, but it is not feasible to upgrade the processor.

Also see: Is the CPU on the Power Mac G5 upgradable? How is it mounted?
System Bus Speed: 1.0 GHz (2:1) Cache Bus Speed: 2.0 GHz (Built-in)
ROM/Firmware Type: Open Firmware ROM/Firmware Size: 1 MB
L1 Cache: 32k/64k L2/L3 Cache: 512k
RAM Type: PC3200 DDR Min. RAM Speed: 400 MHz
Details: Supports 400 MHz PC3200 DDR SDRAM.

Also see: How do you upgrade the RAM in the Power Mac G5 models?
Standard RAM: 512 MB Maximum RAM: 8 GB
Details: Installed as two 256 MB modules. Memory must be installed in pairs.

In the US (and many other countries), site sponsor Other World Computing sells memory -- as well as other upgrades -- for this Power Macintosh G5.

In Australia, site sponsor RamCity sells memory and other upgrades for this Power Macintosh G5.

Also see: Actual Max RAM of All G3 & Later Macs.
Motherboard RAM: None RAM Slots: 8
Video Card: GeForce FX 5200 Ultra VRAM Type: DDR SDRAM
Details: The NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra with 64 MB of DDR SDRAM occupies an 8X AGP Pro slot.

Also see: What graphics cards are provided by the Power Mac G5? Which have ADC ports and which have DVI ports?
Standard VRAM: 64 MB Maximum VRAM: 64 MB
Display Support: Dual Displays Resolution Support: 1920x1200
2nd Display Support: Dual/Mirroring 2nd Max. Resolution: 1920x1200
Details: Supporting a second ADC-equipped Apple display at the time of its release required a DVI-to-ADC adapter. Using the system with two DVI displays likewise requires an adapter or a different video card.
Standard Storage: 160 GB HDD Std. Storage Speed: 7200 RPM
Details: One hard drive installed by default.


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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
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@tlosm

Don't see a John-the-ripper result .

X5000/020 2.00GHZ = 807
PowerMac G5 2.00GHz =858




Well, the G5 clocks up to 2.7GHz, better compare the X500/020 2.0 GHz result versus a G5/2.7GHz to see who owns whom.

The X5000 is not bad per se (but not if date of creation and price gets taken into account), but a G5, rather a computer from the dumpster, is just leading quie bit in performance.

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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
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x5000/20 dnetc Linux Ubuntu Mate

Quote:

[Jan 10 14:55:02 UTC] Automatic processor type detection did not
[Jan 10 14:55:02 UTC] OGR-NG: Running micro-bench to select fastest core...
[Jan 10 14:55:06 UTC] OGR-NG: using core #0 (KOGE 3.1 Scalar).
[Jan 10 14:55:25 UTC] OGR-NG: Benchmark for core #0 (KOGE 3.1 Scalar)
0.00:00:16.75 [19,861,876 nodes/sec]
[Jan 10 14:55:25 UTC] RC5-72: Running micro-bench to select fastest core...
[Jan 10 14:55:49 UTC] RC5-72: using core #2 (KKS 604e).
[Jan 10 14:56:08 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #2 (KKS 604e)
0.00:00:16.06 [5,574,672 keys/sec]


Quad G5 fedora ppc64
Quote:

[Aug 23 16:52:41 UTC] Automatic processor type detection found
a PowerPC 970MP (G5) processor.
[Aug 23 16:52:41 UTC] OGR-NG: using core #1 (KOGE 3.1 Hybrid).
[Aug 23 16:53:00 UTC] OGR-NG: Benchmark for core #1 (KOGE 3.1 Hybrid)
0.00:00:16.29 [42,505,737 nodes/sec]
[Aug 23 16:53:00 UTC] RC5-72: using core #4 (KKS 7450).
[Aug 23 16:53:21 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #4 (KKS 7450)
0.00:00:17.47 [18,852,434 keys/sec]
(benchmark rates are for a single processor core)

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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 13-Sep-2017 23:42:52
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I am bored .

http://amiganews.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=19394&sid=e141393d86ae86be27dd213d65089b6b&start=225#p251424

Google tranlate says

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in fact, their intention was to silence them ... Fortunately, they want to make their mistake of greed forget to make me sign the x5000 / 40 nda. the "gifts" were ... if you sign, if you want to sign ... signing up you will have ... getting into Os4 betatesting (see signing up) we will refund you everything you paid more ... with so many different emails. I'm sorry but for how I was treated I did not give up. ... the to be continue is much worse than the story I have already written and told.



http://amiganews.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=19394&sid=e141393d86ae86be27dd213d65089b6b&start=255#p251636

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revenge ... sweet revenge x5000 on g5 quad in multi thread emulation ... the 100 GPB mei will cost you dear ones.

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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 14-Sep-2017 0:00:48
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Gogle translate is not perfect but ... the fact was this and i had been already write about ... refund the extra GBP = sign the nda

And ? will be my revenge have x5000 emulated by me after what they made to me?


... about your post where you acceuse me that i didnt advice you about the choppy x5000 performances on linux :

here you where in cc too:

23/06/2017
Quote:

HI C****
X5000 experience is good but i found the system little choppy compared my G5 quad .

i associated it to the poor ram performance of the machine and slower pcie performance of the gpu because linux kernel (not yet optimized)
G5 quad result with 667 mhz dd2 ram about 3x more faster in ram access then my X5000 this in not altivec ops in altivec is 5x more faster.
Plus G5 quad is much more faster in gpu performances becuse better pcie managment and this on old the 4x s pcie 1.0 slot.

On RadeonHd 6570 fedora ppc25 same mesa version with dri3 enabled on the G5 glxgears gave me 3950fps on G5 quad (pcie 4x slot) and 3100 max on X5000 .
Same performances i sow in all gl applications and 2d programs much slower on x5000 compared the quad.

The much strange thing i sow decreasing of performance in 64bit mode.
pratically in 32bit Os x5000 have better performances compared the quad in cpu integer operations , in 64bit os i have exactly the opposite situation.



Julian i say again ... you can write everything do you want but i know this machine better than you and i have some email really confidential that i will not share just because im an honorable person , what you are not for sure after the kind of message that you post.

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Posted on 14-Sep-2017 0:09:58
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@tlosm

I received my X5000 motherboard on 14th June 2017.

also was that email sent before or after this information below
(I did not get the email so I must not be on that list )

http://amiganews.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=19394&sid=431a29b481d4e3b273b4b061a0cada22&start=210#p251397

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... July 2017 the X on A-eon. By emailing all beta testers, they were informed that there was an opportunity to test the X5000 / 40 naturally by paying the sum of the best. The thing I leap to the eye was the lower price and not just about what I paid for. Immediately I contacted my friend via FB (who took two of them) to figure out if we remembered the price wrong or if something did not fit. Make sure we paid more for alpha to test the machine, I turned them boing like never before. ... pass the name on the mobo. ... steps to be insulted by that head of : Incaz:my English. ... work free to test cards and schedules. ... work free to find the problems. ... go for free to compile, test, and send linux kernels to users. ... work free to do porting. ... take the free work to spin the distributions. ... pass emails never answered. ... but I also have to pay more and that the most paid with 22% is not there. ... to be continuous


You get annoyed because after telling a company how crappy you think that their product is they start charging less for it ?

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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 14-Sep-2017 0:15:29
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@Spectre660

be happy with it ... and i suggest you to buy a g5 quad for see what is linux on a powerpc.


edit: in waithing for it you can see this video video

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Posted on 14-Sep-2017 0:24:42
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@Spectre660

you are not a beta tester:

please not post message translated with google because are more orrible than my terrible english. I reading it and dont understand.

Last edited by tlosm on 14-Sep-2017 at 12:27 AM.

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@tlosm

Are you sure ?

Quote:

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@Spectre660

you are not a beta tester:

please not post message translated with google because are more orrible than my terrible english. I reading it and dont understand.

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@Spectre660

of x5000 mobo? and you have it at the end of june 2017
and you pay full prize?

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@tlosm

Now you are being specific.
But there are many products ................

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of x5000 mobo? and you have it at the end of june 2017
and you pay full prize?

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i hope the other products are better than this one,
by the way better or not i will not buy
you know #nomoreaeoninmyhome

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@tlosm

So let us get this right Gigi you are upset with Aeon because as an early adopter you likely paid a lot more for your machine than someone who recently went on the beta test team.


And how is this A-eon's fault? This is because the pound sterling has dropped considerably against the euro and other currencies which has actually had a positive effect as many more people in the US in particular are seeing the machine as more affordable and buying the machine.

Here I was thinking that beta testing of a product was being done out of love and a general interest in the product and a desire to want to make things better?

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So let us get this right Gigi you are upset with Aeon because as an early adopter you likely paid a lot more for your machine than someone who recently went on the beta test team.


And how is this A-eon's fault? This is because the pound sterling has dropped considerably against the euro and other currencies which has actually had a positive effect as many more people in the US in particular are seeing the machine as more affordable and buying the machine.

Here I was thinking that beta testing of a product was being done out of love and a general interest in the product and a desire to want to make things better?


for this i understand you cant made money trading

i pay in gpb not in euro. who win or sell is who change his valute in another in money trading.
it mean that if i buy the machine today i will pay in gpb but will exit less euro than that time.
i pay more gpb they ask prize in gpb and the new beta testers compared with me will pay less gpb plus they have ram and pci lan board included ...
i had had pay more then others without nothing included .

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@outrun1978

that assumes that prices for the hardware components is not rising too and that would be only true if everything is from England paid and calculated in Pounds. I doubt a little on that... Theoretical boards were assembled and all parts bought before pound dropped but then every batch would have different prices

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@tlosm

Quote:
I pay more gpb they ask prize in gpb and the new beta testers compared with me will pay less gpb plus they have ram and pci lan board included ... 
i had had pay more then others without nothing included .


Without knowing the full facts, how do we know that say the people who got a beta tester board with extra stuff or for less money are not having to so something in return for A-eon. To me it would seem logical that if you are not paying the full market rate for a piece of work or software to be developed, but may compensating this with say a discounted board then it would make sense.... It's kind of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours and let's see what we can do together...

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@tlosm

Now I understand... buyers remorse turned to anger



Quote:



i pay in gpb not in euro. who win or sell is who change his valute in another in money trading.
it mean that if i buy the machine today i will pay in gpb but will exit less euro than that time.
i pay more gpb they ask prize in gpb and the new beta testers compared with me will pay less gpb plus they have ram and pci lan board included ...
i had had pay more then others without nothing included .

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@tlosm

"note: you are comparing a 2017 machine vs 2004 machine."

I don't understand - what kind of gfx card are you using on the G5? you are not taking it into consideration?

I have a 9 years old quad pc with a latest gfx card from AMD. I run Dreamfall Chapters which is a very demanding game and only when everything is at an ultimate setting it begins to slow down somewhat (I'm talking here about 4k 8xAA 16xAF). I'm watching videos on 1080p 60fps with a very advanced software based renderer called madvr, and I have no slowdowns.

Everyone who knows anything about the market knows that for the last decade and a half consoles and gaming on consoles have set the tone regarding the reliance on faster processors and more cores so for a decade and a half whatever changed in the cpu consumer world changed nothing on the pc except crown a certain company. My 9 years old quad seems to give me all I need if you use the latest gfx card. So maybe comparing to a decade-old hardware isn't so bad. Maybe it was the last time any serious advancement was made. So of course they are now pushing 4k to make you upgrade and buy a new cpu. Guess what? 60fps via the right renderer is much more important for IQ and it runs great on the old cpu. 60fps of course is via the frame rate doubler of the amd card/driver. That is something that can also happen on the A1.

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