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Karlos 
Re: Why does Amigaworld give con mans, hoaxers, liars a platform to talk? Is this not a big shame for Amiga?
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This is beautiful, there is no hard censorship on this site... Please keep it this way


We're all adults (and mostly men of a certain age), not some millenial/gen z that need to be protected from any form of content that might trigger a social media meltdown.

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Tell that the parasitic bureaucrats... But I don't think even younger generations need to be overly "protected", sounds more like an excuse for censorship...

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Re: Why does Amigaworld give con mans, hoaxers, liars a platform to talk? Is this not a big shame for Amiga?
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No, they don't, but they have grown without the being given the tools to cope with being offended. They don't know how to deal with it.

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Karlos wrote:

We're all adults (and mostly men of a certain age), not some millenial/gen z that need to be protected from any form of content that might trigger a social media meltdown.


And yet, the mighty MEGA_RJ_MICAL had to be pushed into self imposed exile, eh!

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he V2 was all about compromise (still a nice product compared to the competition or lack there of at the time). It was a stepping stone to the V4 which has a lot going for it (despite what is for the now market, a minor description issue) . I would guess it was decided the CYCLONE 5 was too expensive at the time the V2 was being conceived.


The Cyclone 1/2/3/4 are one family -- they are nearly the same chips

The Cyclone 5 is completely different beast.
The internal structure of the Cyclone 5 derived from the very expensive, high end FPGAs as Stratix.

This means its completely different to all previous consumer grade Cyclone chips.

It made good sense to use in Vampire2 a chip which is similar to the chip used by Igor before.
As this made it simpler and less risky to design the card.

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Well, if it was self-imposed, some might say, that was up to him...

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I agree! Shysters like the Friedens, Ben Hermans, Trevor Dickinson, Bill McEwen among many others have brought this site to where it is today. But there are still many sites out there that remain true to the Amiga.

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Hey Debbie downer BoXer, Buffee and Trokia is shipping any day now. Why are you so impatient?

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Be specific with your argument.

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it is arm. want people to use arm give them something as good as ios/android.

Apply your argument for PPC64. Why the double standards?

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Be specific with your argument.


Well I hoped to avoid this.
But if you really demand me to be specific.

You Hammer, I don't think you are a conman.
but I have the impression that you have the habit of posting great amount of random "googled" wisdom about Intel CPUs in an Amiga forum. Your posts appear often "out of context", and this gives me the impression that you not understand much of what you post - but post random wikipedia content that you find online.



I have the impression that Cesare Di Mauro, is a con man and a liar.
Cesare tries to impress people with a "fake history" of things that he did.
Cesare Di Mauro brags with "imagined inventions" of him.
As you all know he even made a hoax Amiga website where he advertised an new Amiga that he "invented".
All on his website was a untrue, the hardware pictures were stolen from other websites and all the schematics were fake. Cesare Di Mauro tries so hard to make other believe he would be an expert ... and he even seems to "believe" his own lies. He often talks down on the original Amiga inventors and developers like Jay Miner or Dave Haynie - as Cesare really believes he would be a much better engineer.



Of MattHey, I have the impression that he has some real knowledge about 68K CPU but that he combines real knowledge with "online researched" bits about Coldfire and PowerPC and other CPU.
I have the impression that based on this "information-mix" Matt likes to preach and likes to condemn.
He sometimes lacks "own experience" on topics he talks about.
Therefore sometimes he is wrong and talking "out of his ass". But is OK. Everybody can wrong.
What gives me an bad feeling is that sometimes, I get the impression that Matt tries to hard to convince people and convince people seems be more important than the truth - he have the feeling that he "invents fake facts" to for his goal to convince people.

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Cesare Di Mauro, is a true con man and a liar.
Cesare tries to impress people with a "fake history" of things that he did.
Cesare Di Mauro brags with "imagined inventions" of him.
As you all know he even made a hoax Amiga website where he advertised an new Amiga that he "invented".
All on his website was a untrue, the hardware pictures were stolen from other websites and all the schematics were fake.

And here, as usual, Gunnar entered Goebbles's Propaganda of Lies mode: continuously repeating the same lies, pretending to sell them as the truth, and without giving a single fact supporting it, of course: people should trust him only by his word, because he's "BigGun".

Well, as I've said before, I've already rebutted every single thing on the previous thread, so I just copy & paste my writings (like you did).

Oh, poor Gunnar: you are so desperate that you aren't able to sustain the discussion that you entered again the Goebbles' propaganda of lies to defend your crappy 68080, miserably trying to avoid talking about it and moving everything towards me.

As usual, because you've already done it here:
https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=44169&forum=17&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#855068
and continued all over the thread.

However I've already punctually and precisely replied to all your pile of LIES starting from here:
https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=44169&forum=17&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#855074
and all over the thread until my last comment:
https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=44169&forum=17&start=240&viewmode=flat&order=0#855444

After that you disappeared, as it happens with you when you recognize that you're able to sustain the PURE LEIS that you report to sully what you identified as your enemy.

And here you start with your personal attacks offending your "enemy" to discredit his reputation, with the clear purpose of invalidation his statements.

Needless to say, it's a very well know logic fallacy, the Poisoning the well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

But you've already proved several times that logic is not your friend, and there's PLENTY of proof in the links that I've provided above.



However and since your started again playing dirty, I'm starting paying you with the same coin, with sensible difference that I'll report TRUE things and not PURE LIES like you're used.

Let's talk again your FALSE statements about the SCAM of your 68080.

Dear Gunnar-the-master-of-lies, could you please give answers to the following questions?

I see this on your web site: http://apollo-core.com/index.htm
Back in the 80s, Motorola was leading the market with his 680x0 CISC processors range, selling it to big companies like HP, Apple, Atari, Commodore, NeXT, SEGA and others.
Today, 680x0 is still used by industrial machines, planes industry, cars vendors and is still used by retrocomputing fans around the world.

Apollo Core 68080 is the natural and modern evolution of latest 68000 processors. It's 100% code compatible


Here it's clearly seen that you're generically talking about the Motorola's 68k processor family. Could you show how you can claim that it's "100% code compatible" since we know that it's missing instructions and features? Why are you lying to people reporting FALSE and MISLEADING statements?

We can also see the same reported on the following page: http://apollo-core.com/index.htm?page=features
Apollo Core 68080 is not only the fastest 68000 series CPU ever, it also is the most fully featured.

Feature 68000 68020 68030 68040 68060 AC 68080
68 ISA

As we can see, all such 68k ISA are reported in green colour an your 68080 as well, for which you claimed that its "most fully feautured".

We know that 68020 has CALLM/RTM instructions which you have NOT implemented.
We know that 68030 (not castrated versions like EC) provides a PMMU which you have NOT implemented.
We know that 68040 (not castrated versions like EC) provides a PMMU which you have NOT implemented.
We know that 68060 (not castrated versions like EC) provides a PMMU which you have NOT implemented.

How can you claim that your 68080 is the "most fully feautured" when it's lacking so many things? Why are you lying to people reporting FALSE and MISLEADING statements?

Going further, we see this on the same page:
64-Bit Support
Is the processor able to handle 64-bit addresses?
If yes, is the processor able to JUMP (JMP, JSR, RTS) to any 64-bit address?
Is the processor able to set vector exceptions handlers at 64-bit addresses?

And a bit down we can also see this:
Integrated FPU

Have you implemented the FULL 68k's FPUs instruction set?
Even the BCD instructions?
Are they fully implemented in hardware?
Or are some of them implemented in software?

Continuing, at the bottom of the page, we can see this:
Apollo Core 68080 advantages:
Market leading code density


Can you provide any proof of that? We know that the 68k's code density is great, but how can you claim that it's the lead in the market?
Can you provide any proof of that with 64-bit code (see above as well), so with code located at any 64-bit address, processor data registers processing 64-bit scalar operations?
Can you provide any proof of that with 32 and 64-bit code, with code using also the new data and address registers?

Finally, regarding this:
Fully pipelined, double/extended FPU
You've already reported several times that you're supporting only up to double precision for the FPU. So, NOT extended precision. Why are you lying to people reporting FALSE and MISLEADING statements?

OK, that should be enough. And since you started your propaganda of LIE, once you continue repeating the same LIES I'll copy & paste all the above which prove that you're a big liar and you're CHEATING your customers.

People should seriously think about suing you for having sold them a product with FALSE and MISLEADING information.

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Cesare Di Mauro tries so hard to make other believe he would be an expert ... and he even seems to "believe" his own lies. He often talks down on the original Amiga inventors and developers like Jay Miner or Dave Haynie - as Cesare really believes he would be a much better engineer.

And here comes the usual blind fanatical fundamentalism: the "Faith" shouldn't deserve any critic...

I've report FACTs and PROVED with math / numbers where it was the case.

I can understand that Talibans like you don't like them, but, hey, it's YOUR problem!

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@Gunnar

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Cesare Di Mauro tries so hard to make other believe he would be an expert


There is no expert in our community. Not you, not me, not Cesare. Expert is very very high level.

These is some specialists, and some of them have deep knowledge, yes.

The main problem is most of them (not all) use these knowledges to do bad things, just like you.

Experts have self-control, they resist to the negativity, they refuse negativity for our computer. You know that, you inverse, and you add the useless AMMX for forcing people to purchase your products for dividing the community once again. When you launch your AMMX, the 01/11/2016 I emailed you and Majsta for warning you, both don't care, you have only a wallet instead of a brain, you are not the best, you are not an expert : just a professional sophist.

Anyway, I refuse to fight with anybody here, it's completely useless to talk with this type of inverted persons : you create this theard only to steal energy from the ignorant, you don't care about the Amiga...

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When you launch your AMMX, the 01/11/2016 I emailed you


Hello Cosmos,

yes I indeed recall that you did send me several emails.

there was one email, in which said that the Apollo-Team are all satanists
and that we are satanists is the reason why we named the card "Vampire".
And where you said people putting the card in their computer will taint their Amiga with evil karma, and the users will come in hell?


Was it in this email?
Or was the post you refer to in another email?

The email where you said that "you know that email in which you said lBill Gates funds us to destroy Amiga world".

I appreciate that you took the time to send us several emails.
I'm very sorry that I not always took them fully seriously.

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Assuming those references are true, I wouldn't have shared them openly on a public forum like this. It is an unfortunate truth that in a community such as ours there are numerous people with mental health issues. I don't need to point anyone out, but it's evident in several posters here.

In any case, it's common etiquette to regard personal emails as private communication. You could have simply put "You sent several emails that I did not read as they did not appear relevant."

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Assuming those references are true, I wouldn't have shared them openly on a public forum like this. It is an unfortunate truth that in a community such as ours there are numerous people with mental health issues. I don't need to point anyone out, but it's evident in several posters here. In any case, it's common etiquette to regard personal emails as private communication. You could have simply put "You sent several emails that I did not read as they did not appear relevant."


I fully understand what you say.
And what you say makes sense, if this communication would have been private between Cosmos and myself. But this communication was not done in private. All of what I refer to was posted by Cosmos in public before already.


@Karlos, I'm actually a little surprised that this is new to you?
Did you not know that Cosmos runs his own website?

Cosmos himself posted all of this before online already..

You can read more like this on his own website ...
http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.com/2018/07/the-parasites-eng.html

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Sure, but again, drawing attention to someone's self-evident mental health issues is a low blow. For some individuals, the gift of creativity comes with the curse of any number of other traits. Schizophrenia, autism, bipolar, depression, split personality, all manner of delusional fantasism, the list goes on.

Most people here are likely not neurotypical; even the "normal" seeming ones.

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@Karlos

Ok, maybe this is a good opportunity to go back to the original question of this thread.

Why does Amigaworld give con mans, hoaxers, liars a platform to talk?
Is this not a big shame for Amiga?


The question could be extended with your post and ask is it good for an Amiga forum to give people a platform with:
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Schizophrenia, autism, bipolar, depression, split personality, all manner of delusional fantasism, the list goes on.



The question is for me persona a serious topic. While I feel sorry for all crazy people.

But at the same time, for me regard "Amiga" is a passion of love.
My goal is revive Amiga and maybe you know that I spend a lot of time teaching Amiga coding, and helping people that want to become developers and giving Amiga fans a new good option for a free OS.

I seriously wonder if "a wild west" forum without any moderation is really helping ..
Or if it would be much better for communication and sanity of the forum if known con mans would be moderated.

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We like our village crazies here, it would be quite boring without them. We handle "con mans" (sic) just fine without any moderation (which is something you actually benefit from!)

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