@vox

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You have 48 hours to decide to refund otherwise I will start procedure for local court in Kardiff UK

Fat chance bro.

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@WolfToTheMoon

True both, but that doesnt make my right of OS 4.2 refund any lesser.
I ve sold it to kas1e to Russia in midst of war. Its in good hands

While you think I am too late, I believe time is proof I gave them more then
enough time to deliver. Also, I will list items I had to buy instead as damages
(FE, ENhancer, Drivers)

@amigakit

Small claims court if you have any grievance with them.

I can represent yourself there and get away with anything since you aren't limited by the rules lawyers are bound by (this is why lawyers recommend you represent yourself in a small claims court). If the other side doesn't show up then that's not a good outcome for them and your own side gets a better outcome. Failure of them to show up to a hearing doesn't prevent a judgment against them. In fact it will harm them. It can be judged in absentia.

I don't need a class action status. That would be worse for you and harder to get and costly.

Last edited by vox on 17-Nov-2024 at 09:59 PM.

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@Trixie

Then great chances for small amounts court.

Its better for them to settle by refund. Court means additional costs for losing side,
which is them.

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The greatest sadness for me is that I have what is probably good hardware sitting right beside me that is not even operating. I bought it to support Amiga and in the hope that it would one day be usable for something useful to me. Unfortunately it has never ever been of any use and remains presently as having been an unfortunate waste of my money.

The greater sadness is that I'm much less inclined to support any efforts. Sure I've bought all David Pleasance's books for the history. That has been quite interesting. I might have even hopped on to his AGA idea. Regarding its failure, personally, I felt that it was a timing issue. You have to come off a successful product, not a product that was feeling like vaporware. I felt that his troubles with delivering his book left David in a position without community confidence and that he would have been better to launch the idea only after people were finally receiving his book.

But, as the X1000 never did anything, and then was no longer supported in a usable way, meant that it really put a halt in my participation. It's not Trevor's fault but it is what it became.

I would like to say that this was otherwise, as I do have a fond place in my heart for the Amiga, and the things I learnt because of it. But, until this box can do something - and it possibly never will - then this is mostly it for me. It may never be restored to working, and may never be turned on again. Sad as that is…

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@amigakit

First 24hrs, passed 24 hrs more.

While I understand its AEON and Hype to be blamed, they wash hands also.

In business its you who charged me, its you who refund. ITS TO YOU TO FIND GUILTY PARTY.

As peace offering, you can deduct OS 4.2 fee from A600GS one time from me. Its same company, similar product (since I own enhancer 1.x and even OS 3.2) and you charge less.

Please let me know of fee and do you find this satisfactory.

Its last and best offer I can make.

Tommorow I ll plea for UK mediation and if its fails, we go to UK court.

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@WolfToTheMoon

True but I wonder how court will see this

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@gonegahgah

I agree. I wanted machine to work, I bought anything and everything to make it so but it was usable in Linux until I lost 3D with Southern Island.

Now CFE wont be fixed, even I reported bugs.
New cards will not be supported.

Trevor pretends like only x5000 exist, shame on him, Varisys and Amigakit last.

I wanted to refund machine after 1.5 years but it had some limited 1 year guarantee
that is out of EU laws.

I wonder what court has to say on my claim ever beta machine was shipped to me.

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@vox

It's unfortunate to hear that you were disappointed with your AmigaOne X1000 experience. I've personally had a very positive experience with it.

However, I don't believe your legal action will be successful.

Here's why:

Update 5: This update was released for other systems as well and was not a beta version specifically for the X1000.
OS 4.2: This operating system has not been released yet.
Legal Entities: AmigaKit is a separate entity from AEon cvba and Hyperion cvba.

To illustrate, imagine this scenario: You purchase an Acer PC from a local retailer, Mike. The PC comes with Windows 8, and you receive a license for a future Windows 9, which has not yet been released. Ten years later, you sue both Acer and Mike for not providing Windows 9 and demand a refund on an Apple product.

This analogy highlights the lack of a direct connection between the parties involved and the unrealistic nature of your expectations.

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@davebraco

My expectations were based on Trevors campaign and interviews of time,
I can pull them out. So Big Dick was unrealistic, not I. I did everything to support it for years. I recently even bought OS 3.2

For x1000 u5 was labeled beta

AmigaKit charged me, and by consumer rights has to refund me.
They were sole x1000 distributor,

Analogy is not good. If you paid something and wasnt delivered you do charge seller, he does supplier.,

I wonder, if you had such good exp with x1000
what can you tell me of

CFE not really booting anything, being made for router, glued as open source but sources never GPLL
Network card driver existing in FE but timing out never fixed
No 2D or 3D drivers in u5 for card it was shipped with
Losing signal on soft reboot
Quirky CFE x1000 boot devices only on SATA 1 and SATA 3
EOL in software for no reason
Pretending it never existed in Hype support fora
Hype pretending OS 4.2 didnt happen as well as TW final and AEON with Libre, all abounced at x1000 days
AEON charging for modded Ubuntu
Strange amigaof bootstrapping easy to crash
Strange KS files and drivers, no Amiga style
CFE not booting amiga.of from EXT3 or 4 or FAt32
Only good words I have for PPC Linuxes that recognized CFE

Sometimes I wonder do we have different HW?

Last edited by vox on 18-Nov-2024 at 02:23 PM.
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As another X1000 owner, I am disappointed that AmigaOS4.2 hasn't happened, I was slightly annoyed by the fact that AmigaOs4.1FE wasn't provided free for us users, I remember a few questioning it, but nothing was done. I think you might of had a strong case back then.

I'm not holding my breath for Os4.2 ever being delivered. (just like os4 Wings port that I paid for!)

I dont really blame Amigakit or A-eon/trevor.

Its pretty clear Hyperion & Os4 devs overpromised what they could do, now dont get me wrong what the devs did do with OS4 is dam impressive for the limited resource they got. Plus I want to thank devs, many of them have worked for free on supporting the platform, Thank You.

Sometime things just dont work out and best of intentions or best well laid plans can get changed, life can get in the way, these are after all small companies with small number of devs doing usually the best job they can. It for that reason I'm not chasing this.

Now as far as Im aware in the UK, you only have 6 years from the date of purchase to make a claim. I could be wrong.

But maybe the companies involved in A-eon could do a small good gesture, like maybe AmigaOS 3.2 Licence or something.

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@amigang

I do blame Friendes and AEON
I do ask for A600GS price reduction as fair solution

On Wings see where fake Cineware is, do the same as I

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"For x1000 u5 was labeled beta"
Suspect but I can't remember, you will have to legally prove it.

"AmigaKit charged me, and by consumer rights has to refund me.
They were sole x1000 distributor,"
As already said, 4.2 is not released. They probably got the assurance of Hyperion that 4.2 will be released soon... well, at that time...

"Analogy is not good. If you paid something and wasn't delivered you do charge seller, he does supplier.,"
It's not that simple. If the product was released and they refused to give you access to it, that would be a different story.

"I wonder, if you had such good exp with x1000
what can you tell me of"
Man, you seem to see all as negative. As far as I remember, the only drawbacks at that time were the lack of 3D (I added a Radeon 9250) and the ethernet not supported (but I think they added a network card). Otherwise, it was the most powerful AmigaOS 4 solution. I've added a Catweasel with a SID chip and a floppy disk, a MIDI compatible soundcard, 1 SSD and 3 hard disks. Installed a ton of stuff, and simply enjoyed what I got at that time.

"CFE not really booting anything, being made for router, glued as open source but sources never GPLL"
What? I didn't have any problem booting AmigaOS.

"Network card driver existing in FE but timing out never fixed"
You're right, but they did add a compatible network card as a replacement solution.

"No 2D or 3D drivers in u5 for card it was shipped with"
Well, 2D was supported, and it was stipulated at the time that 3D wasn't on Radeon HD.

"Losing signal on soft reboot"
What? With later drivers?

"Quirky CFE x1000 boot devices only on SATA 1 and SATA 3"
And? Isn't that enough?

"EOL in software for no reason"
I don't see what you mean.

"Pretending it never existed in Hype support fora"
"Hype pretending OS 4.2 didn't happen as well as TW final and AEON with Libre, all announced at x1000 days"
"AEON charging for modded Ubuntu"
"Strange amigaof bootstrapping easy to crash"
"Strange KS files and drivers, no Amiga style"
"CFE not booting amiga.of from EXT3 or 4 or FAT32"
"Only good words I have for PPC Linuxes that recognized CFE"

Not relevant to the case or I don't get it...

"Sometimes I wonder do we have different HW?"
No, I just think that I know what I bought and what was possible with it. Anyway, I'm tired. You seem angry at everything related to X1000/OS4.

Have fun with your future A600GS. It's a really cool device with a lot of potential.

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@vox

Quote:

vox wrote: I do ask for A600GS price reduction as fair solution

Ok. We do understand better why you are doing this (which won't go anywhere by the way, whether it is the court or the free A600GS).

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@K-L

Its easy refund. Don't worry for insult, I can buy A600GS after I buy QL, but now i will not ever.

Do I look better. Amigakit, thanks to K-L I no longer accept any AEON products (or Hype) as trade off, I accept only full amount in money.

I see you are x1000 user. Which of my probs you have experienced?

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Last edited by vox on 18-Nov-2024 at 09:15 PM.

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@vox

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vox wrote: Dear x1000 users, if you recall page 5 of x1000 quickstart guide, like here https://intuitionbase.com/sites/default/files/2024-08/x1000_quickstartguide.pdf https://www.kupujemprodajem.com/kompjuteri-desktop/retro-kompjuteri/retko-amigaone-x1000-quickstart-guide/oglas/173672569?filterId=436 Sais Quote: Your “First Contact� AmigaONE X1000 system is supplied with AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 and a license for AmigaOS 4.2 which can be downloaded from the Hyperion Entertainment website when it is released. Signed by Trevor, alias ppcamiga1 If you recall a bit more this was a separate payement like OS 4.1 and enhancer are. We never got product, never will and are never repaid.

Grow up mate! You backed the wrong horse but surely you were only in it to be part of the PA-Semi/Xorro/Cryptic teaser-website A-EON story and any actual product is a bonus?! You actually expected Hyperion to deliver AmigaOS 4.2 within our lifetime despite them being owned by a lawyer and IP squatter? Presumably you think SMP muticore is possible for AmigaOS 4.x without breaking compatibility too?! Insane!

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@BigD

Did you buy x1000. No? STFU little but soon good Harkonnen soldier lost in a desert!

Trevor said is possible, Some SSolie badman too, AROS and Linux prove it.

I do grow up. part of it is refund. Its childish to assume othewise.

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@amigakit

My Order History
You have not yet made any purchases.

Please acknowledge is this true

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@davebraco

OS 4.2 is a scam.

Quote:

AmigaKit is a separate entity from AEon cvba

Nope, their “employees� claim to represent both at once.

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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uk-product-security-and-telecommunications-infrastructure-product-security-regime

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@vox

Why have you left it this long? The X1000 was a nice proof on concept but it was more like the monolith out of 2001: A Space Odyssey (something not quite understood) than a working platform! I thought everyone understood that? It was a technical marvel but it had no business/long-term prospects due to PA-Semi being bought by Apple and Trevor losing money on it! What did you expect?!

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