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Re: demo of new OS4 hardware (not A1 or Amy)
Posted on 16-May-2006 15:34:17
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The BIGGEST question is..

How many people are going crack FAT WALLET out and BUY the new hardware ?


We have been down this road before........



Well this time are people gonna correct their mistake and put their money where their mouths are or is it going to be deja vu all over again ?

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You are assuming that we all have fat wallets. Mine has been on a diet.

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Assuming any new product appears that runs OS4 I think it will sell pretty well at this point.


I agree - provided that such hardware sells for something in the ballpark of $300-400. If it's much more, the buyers will probably mainly be limited to hardcore OS4-geeks who replace their A1 for something newer or better.
I also agree on what polka said and wish that main emphasis would be laid on cheap low-end hardware. If Adam manages to release both (low and high-end) without further delays, that would be great of course. The more, the better.

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What would you consider High End ?, and how much do you consider would be a fair price to ask for it ?

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I'm sure I read where Adam mentioned the "open Pegasos" project. It could be that he's working with that design.

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What would you consider High End ?,


Now that's a difficult question since what "high-end" exactly means on x86 is very differen to what it means as an OS4 platform.
Regarding OS4, the term "High-end" first appeared in the IRC-chat with the Friedens. Then it was used by Adam. They might have a better idea how to exactly define it. I might think of a G4 running >1.6Ghz, or a G5/Cell (although I think that is rather unrealistic at this point).

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and how much do you consider would be a fair price to ask for it ?


Hehe, another hard question. What a "fair price" is - that's a decision that every potential buyer has to make on his own of course.
Depending on their motives, this "fair price" might differ a lot. A hardcore OS4-freak with loads of money might even think that $1500 is a fair price for such a system.
OTOH, if you are only curious about the OS, or you have been a former Amiga-user and might want to "try it" (think of a geeky toy), then you might have a completely different price-range that you consider to be "fair". You simply wouldn't be willing to spend so much money on hardware which is slow to similar priced x86-hardware. They wouldn't grasp the concept what advantage it is for them to have some expensive custom hardware running the OS. Since they can't "try out" OS4 on x86 (such as Zeta for example), they would either completely retract from thinking of OS4-hardware - or decide to buy something similar to a Powervixxen.
The latter group of people is considerably larger, so if there is a potential for OS4 then it starts with cheap lower-level hardware, not with a G5 platform that lacks a decent browser and office software.

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1500-1875 USD is not way of what I think is max price for Me.

Any system from 1.5 - 2.0 Ghz whit USB2.0, and fast GFX bus.

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i'd sell my a1 instantly, and buy this new highend board, but then i also want the power vixen to pimp my a1200, depending on how it will handle hw banging stuff though.

either way, if these new highend boards will be on the expensive side, lots of a1 owners will sell their a1's to afford this new board, so those who can't afford the new highend board will be able to get their hands on a second hand a1 easilly, so, it's a win-win situation here. add the power vixen to that and we have a win-win-win situation :P things are looking up in amigaland again, if ack delivers that is!

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@The_Editor

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The BIGGEST question is..

How many people are going crack FAT WALLET out and BUY the new hardware ?


We have been down this road before........

Well this time are people gonna correct their mistake and put their money where their mouths are or is it going to be deja vu all over again ?


It's likely to depend on what's being offered, and at what price. The A1s were never really priced to move, even with the exclusiveness of being the only hardware (then) available.

The A1 may also have made some people want to wait to ensure any new hardware doesn't have any err, 'character' similar to the A1s, and want to know it's working properly before purchasing.

Keep the pricing sane ($300-$500), do some benchmarks versus A1s, including showing working DMA, and I may buy one of each. Increase the pricing and I become more selective. Likewise, the higher the price, the less 'new blood' we get outside of the few already that will buy 'anything running OS4.'

If a 'high end' system becomes available, and is a fair improvement over the XE, and everything is confirmed to be working, I'd replace my XE with it.

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@wegster

as always when i buy stuff i expect it to work 100% as announced, sadly that wasn't the case with the a1's, that's why i wanna get rid of mine, but, agreed, it's always smarter to wait for version 1.1... take the gba for example, they released the gba sp with light, and the nintendo ds has got a facelift aswell, and the ps2 vs pstwo... well well...
i bet it will work better than the a1's. i'll wait 2-3 months after the release and watch aw.net carefully for user reports/problems, after that, if no issues arise, i'll snatch one!

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@hatschi

I think you need two models. One high end for bragging rights and a low end entry level. Like someone who wants a Mustang, but ends up buying an Escort. You need the high end to draw people in and the low end to sell.

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@wegster

as always when i buy stuff i expect it to work 100% as announced, sadly that wasn't the case with the a1's, that's why i wanna get rid of mine, but, agreed, it's always smarter to wait for version 1.1... take the gba for example, they released the gba sp with light, and the nintendo ds has got a facelift aswell, and the ps2 vs pstwo... well well...
i bet it will work better than the a1's. i'll wait 2-3 months after the release and watch aw.net carefully for user reports/problems, after that, if no issues arise, i'll snatch one!


Well, TBH, on something like the PV standalone, when it arrives, I expect it to be tested by those wanting to keep their classics, and it's cheap enough it's not a big deal here. If the Amy comes in reasonably priced, I may well go for it 'sight unseen' as one of the first purchasers...but there is a point at which I'm not willing to do so. Anything more than a few hundred dollars...I may wait until I'm personally satisfied that things appear to work as they should. Yet I'm sure there will be others (Outcast?) that may buy something 'high-end' nearly sight unseen. Note that I am _hoping_ IF such hardware does come to exist, that the companies involved will give enough information to alleviate these concerns, however... (benchmarks, demos, etc).

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@hatschi

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@The_Editor
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What would you consider High End ?,


Now that's a difficult question since what "high-end" exactly means on x86 is very differen to what it means as an OS4 platform.
Regarding OS4, the term "High-end" first appeared in the IRC-chat with the Friedens. Then it was used by Adam. They might have a better idea how to exactly define it. I might think of a G4 running >1.6Ghz, or a G5/Cell (although I think that is rather unrealistic at this point).

Quote:
and how much do you consider would be a fair price to ask for it ?


Hehe, another hard question. What a "fair price" is - that's a decision that every potential buyer has to make on his own of course.
Depending on their motives, this "fair price" might differ a lot. A hardcore OS4-freak with loads of money might even think that $1500 is a fair price for such a system.
OTOH, if you are only curious about the OS, or you have been a former Amiga-user and might want to "try it" (think of a geeky toy), then you might have a completely different price-range that you consider to be "fair". You simply wouldn't be willing to spend so much money on hardware which is slow to similar priced x86-hardware. They wouldn't grasp the concept what advantage it is for them to have some expensive custom hardware running the OS. Since they can't "try out" OS4 on x86 (such as Zeta for example), they would either completely retract from thinking of OS4-hardware - or decide to buy something similar to a Powervixxen.
The latter group of people is considerably larger, so if there is a potential for OS4 then it starts with cheap lower-level hardware, not with a G5 platform that lacks a decent browser and office software.


Heh, I could have saved some typing if I'd read this before my previous response!

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Is there a website for ackcontrols ?

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These news sounds like the best in quite some time. I its true, Ill certainly get one. I have waited long enough and if it will get more powerful than the current models, the wait might have been worth it.

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I think the low end is where you will see Amiga/OS4 grow. The high end will be bought, but we do need to get our numbers up. Having cheap hardware is the key even if it is lower spec than what we would want to see, at least it would put it in reach of alot of coders that can not afford the big machines. Doing low end and cost effective design I imagine is a challenge. You have to find parts that are not going to be unavailable, due to their age and yet something that can be made cheap. It is impossible I think to compete with the x86 world in the cheap market, but it should be possible to get a small, simple and cheap hardware design in the hands of the masses.

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Yes, I'd want one just to get rid of all the nasty hw bugs that are present on the A1, preventing proper 'multi-media' use.


Yeah, finally!

I will buy this high-end board for sure. I'm quite sure it will have a MEGArray
socket for the 1.7GHz 7448 CPU board and also incorporate a northbridge with
200MHz FSB, DDR ram, SATA, GB network, USB2.0 and hopefully PCI-E.

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I'm at least interested in PowerVixxen if it comes, and I'm also interested in the 7448 module. PowerVixxen in my A1200 will hopefully make a better portable Radeon driver dev system than my A1 is, as well as serve as a second machine in case the A1 is disassembled again for testing a cutomer's motherboard with my CPU. It's still not all put back together from the last time I had to do that a couple months ago. As ACK hinted that there would be a Radeon MiniPCI card for it I'm hopeful it'll be next best thing to having a laptop.

For the 7448 module, I don't have as good a reason. I'd previously decided not to upgrade the AmigaOne anymore due to frustrations with SDRAM, but here I am seriously thinking of shelling out tons of money for a CPU. Maybe it'll be nice to have a spare module for the customer boards that aren't sent with their CPUs present, not that I have to deal with that very often...

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I would like to have some low-end system. It should be possibly cheap, stand-alone (currently I don't have any Amiga and I don't want to buy A1200 to enhance it) and hw-bugs-free (not like A1). I want to use it for software development mainly.

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@yak

I don't think a "cheap" system will sell much more than a high-end one really.
Why? Well cheap, as in 300-400$, is still expensive. In comparison to PC hardware.

We need a really small board with a CPU in the G4 1GHz class that sells for sub
$150.. You know a case, harddrive, DVD-burner, memory, keyboard and mouse
has to be added to the cost. OS4 offers too little for anyone outside to take a chance
on a system that costs more than $400 for a complete system. IMHO of course.

Higher-end systems is also needed for those that already is inside to keep them
interrested. Also to keep the development of more advanced software, that actually
uses the better hardware, going.

Without A2000/3000/4000 Amiga wouldn't be nothing today!

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