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Re: How much is AI Worth
Posted on 29-Aug-2007 2:17:56
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wish I could tell everyone what they told me they thought they were worth.


Not necessary really.
Based on the Prokom info it's obviously over 80 million USD.
Seems all the posters agreed on that.

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Re: How much is AI Worth
Posted on 29-Aug-2007 2:23:33
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It cant be Amiga Inc's goal to make money.. I dont know why they havent bailed yet.

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Re: How much is AI Worth
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They should eBay themselves. I'll bid anything up to 5.

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Re: How much is AI Worth
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wish I could tell everyone what they told me they thought they were worth.


Not necessary really.
Based on the Prokom info it's obviously over 80 million USD.
Seems all the posters agreed on that.

#6


new Gary Hare Document:


"2. Payment. It is agreed by the parties that payment in full for the purchase of all
the Intellectual Property per this Agreement consists of (a) Cash advances made
to Amiga, under the Loan Facility Agreement, totalling Two Hundred Seventy Four
Thousand Four Hundred Twenty Two Dollars (US $270.422,00) as of the effective
date of this Agreement, and (b) four million (4.000.000) shares of KMOS common
stock."

So in my account that makes US $ 4.270.422,00 alltogether for the Amiga assets...

EDIT:

Sorry, guys - I mixed up share with US-$.
Re-calculation now shows US $ 10.270.422,00 on my account for all the Amiga assets, as it was said the KMOS shares at that time were 2,50 $ each.

Last edited by Dandy on 29-Aug-2007 at 09:25 AM.
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Re: How much is AI Worth
Posted on 29-Aug-2007 12:58:51
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Re-calculation now shows US $ 10.270.422,00 on my account for all the Amiga assets, as it was said the KMOS shares at that time were 2,50 $ each.


Heh!
That was -then-, this is -now-:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=22279&forum=2

yak quote:
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that makes almost 90 million bucks

hatschi quote:
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Make that "almost 90 million bucks".

madmalkav quote:
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As said in the other thread, they bought 800 000 shares, 2,5USD per share, that being the 2,3% of Amiga Inc.That is two million dollars, and if that is 2,3% of Amiga Inc. , so Amiga Inc. shares total value is aprox. 87 million dollars (!!)

itix quote:
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Prokom Software SA buyed 800 000 shares in Amiga, Inc from ITEC LLC

mailman quote:
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Yes you are right that Prokom bought shares from ITEC LLC. But it also means that Prokom is now a shareholder of Amiga Inc.

Obviously many posters saw a difference in this stock value vs perceived "real" value. But when it comes to DiscreetFX hearing about a high number, it's safe to assume it was in the range discussed in this thread. (or more, based on the comments in this thread)

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Re: How much is AI Worth
Posted on 29-Aug-2007 13:25:49
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@number6

Could we set up a bounty for buy hte company? I doubt the bounty raise as the "port the fart button to c64" bounty.



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How much worth the entire AI stock?

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Re: How much is AI Worth
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How much worth the entire AI stock?


If you read both the ProKom thread, which describes how things are valued to some degree and BillP's comment:
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and I doubt my investors would even be interested in Ruksun or DE.

then you would understand this better.

You, personally are interested in only what represents a small part of the assets used in valuing this stock. (classic/NG/OS4)
Are you any more interested in managing AmigadevIndia or DE(AA) affairs than DiscreetFX?

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Re-calculation now shows US $ 10.270.422,00 on my account for all the Amiga assets, as it was said the KMOS shares at that time were 2,50 $ each.



Heh!
That was -then-, this is -now-:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=22279&forum=2



Hehe, your quotes are referring to a deal with AInc (D), while I was referring to a deal with AInc (W)...


I would never pay 80 million US$ for a company that currently has to fight at court for their (???) assets, and where the success of this legal quarrel still remains to be seen - 10 million $ sound much more reasonable, but for my taste it's still too much...

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Re: How much is AI Worth
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@DiscreetFX

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I wish I could tell everyone what they told me they thought they were worth.


Hi!

Have a 'small' question
What about not buing whole AInc? Couldn't You just licence an 'Amiga' name and get into cooperation with Hyperion?
Licence should allow:
- to name Hyperion systems as a AmigaOs 4.x and run it on diffrent PPC machines,
- to license 'Amiga' name for PPC hardware without AInc's blessings,
- and maybe to use Amiga name in company name (AmigaFx sounds interesting)

It should be much more cheaper. Don't think You should pay for Ruskun and AmigeDe development.

In this way it should be easy to get AInc and Hyperion settle their court businesses.
- AInc will get what they paid for in 2001 - that means: AmigaOS4 prerelase sources (they met 2001 specs),
- Hyperion will sign with You new contract,
- there will be new PPC Ami hardware...

Thanks for answer!

PS. Hoped that way wasn't already tried:)

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Re: How much is AI Worth
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@Radov

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What about not buing whole AInc? Couldn't You just licence an 'Amiga' name and get into cooperation with Hyperion?
Licence should allow:
- to name Hyperion systems as a AmigaOs 4.x and run it on diffrent PPC machines,
- to license 'Amiga' name for PPC hardware without AInc's blessings,
- and maybe to use Amiga name in company name (AmigaFx sounds interesting)

They won't give such a licence to anybody. If they were interested in this kind of collaboration they had given those privileges themselves to Hyperion or other companies.

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They won't give such a licence to anybody. If they were interested in this kind of collaboration they had given those privileges themselves to Hyperion or other companies.


Yes, you're right - but Hyperion is not able to include money in such a deal. (they don't have much atm?) Maybe if someone will pay them 5M$ for name (or 10M$) and give AOS4 sources they will accept that?
DiscreetFX needs only Amiga name and AOS4 - nothing more. (especialy Ruskun and DE)

It will end with 2 Amiga companies and with 2 systems with different roadmaps, but... who cares?.
So my question is: "Will AInc accept AOS4 binaries and XX millions $ for a 'name' license and rights to produce hardware under 'name' brand". If so - how much money we need to make such a deal?

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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 14:44:59
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Well, for what I care about, it may go for a couple million $. I'd say they've devalued it quite a bit since the supposed $5million buyout so long ago.

but there is more there than what I care about. What do they have?

1. Amiga name/trademarks
2. AmigaOS
3. AmigaDE
4. Indian web developers
Maybe there's more, but I can't think of them.

OK, DE is pretty much dead. That doesn't really count for much of anything, but I wouldn't want to buy that part anyway.

Indian web/WinCE developers, there's probably lots of those out there, supposedly cheap labor, but appear to be off-topic if we're looking to buy what I consider to be "Amiga". I'd ask if they'd like to keep that and sell me only the "Amiga" stuff. If it must be included, then not much. But I'd try to exclude that from any purchase agreement as it's only baggage to drag us down.

The Amiga name/trademarks and AmigaOS are about all I care about, as well as whatever Amiga patents must be licensed to keep things in the clear. Seeing how Amiga Inc. has treated AmigaOS over the years, they clearly don't value it highly.

But they do seem to care about the name, which seems they said as much once upon a time. They don't seem to have grown any value in the name though. It wasn't good enough to ensure success of their plans. They're a laughing stock on Slashdot, OSnews, and pretty seriously ####ed off the city of Kent. I can't imagine the name is actually worth much to them at this point, and they would be wise to be looking for a new name if they wish to continue their shennanigans with less suspicion by default.

Other than to us few thousand Amiga fanatics, it's not worth a dime. And we are not a market large enough to make them worth much. If theyr'e asking for more than what was paid to buy Amiga out of Escom's ashes, they're absolutely insane. I don't know how much that was. But they're clearly not worth much at all after the last 5 years.

I think they'd be foolish not to accept any serious offer in the $1million range. $2mil if you're feeling generous. Even at a loss, at least it's $1mil, and I'd be suprised to see the current administration grow the company by half that much from where it is, considering how it's been handled for so long. I very much hoped that the Kmos switcheroo would lead to new managment, new goals, new ideas, and bring enough change to improve the company. But we ended up exactly where we were before that, and I can only believe that they've lost value since then. The only reason they're worth more than the $100 bank account is their investor's pocketbook, and I can't believe that he enjoys hemmoraging cash on a lost cause. Amiga needs a new direction, a new cause, a new captain, not temporary illusions of those, before I'll believe it's worth anything.

But I'd also go check into Gateway/Acer. Is Amiga's license to what they have exclusive? Already been asked elsewhere, but a good question. Is Acer willing to license anything further? Do they value it, or would they see Amiga stuff as unimportant fluff to be given away at low low prices just to keep the filing cabinet tidy? Or is it not important enough to them to even talk about long enough to know it's even there?

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Posted on 25-Sep-2007 15:31:38
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4. Indian web developers

An asset?
Perhaps you should carefully read:
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Re: Can someone here get prove of the Amiga INC Indian acquisition?


Quote:
But I'd also go check into Gateway/Acer. Is Amiga's license to what they have exclusive?

Plenty of info here:
Quote:
Acer To Acquire Gateway

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=24057&forum=17

You also might want to read about Amiga Development LLC (Gateway) here:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=21115&forum=4
Should be obvious when this much negotiation goes on that there is still immense power in the holdings.

What about ProKom and the 2.3% of the stock they hold? ugh!
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=22484&forum=2
Itec sells the stock to ProKom...
ProKom announces:
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Prokom Software SA intends to co-operate with Amiga for instance in the distribution of its system among Polish software and mobile equipment vendors

Followed by:
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AFX News Limited
Polish prosecutors ready charges against tycoon and Prokom CEO Krauze


Err...so being a part of a joint "business plan" with Krauze is a PLUS?

Really...if anyone here thinks the value of Amiga is greater now than when this all began, I would have to say they are way off base. In fact, "way" doesn't begin to express this.

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They could have the AAA boards!

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Amiga Inc is worth.....



86,000 Ugandan Dollars








6.82

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I'll give em a thrupenny Jamboree bag for it.






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Rofl.

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It is totally innocent.

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was said the KMOS shares at that time were 2,50 $ each.


Which had to be a made up figure. No way it was worth that per share with that many shares.

Besides, value, real or imaginary, at that time does not represent value today. Things chnage. Watch the stock market, things go all over the place over time. While Amiga is not publically traded, I think it's hard to imagine how it can be worth $10mil total, let alone only Gary's shares alone. I would not value the Amiga Inc. company and assets at any higher than $2mil today, regardless of how many shares exist or what they were once said to be worth. SCO was once worth good money, almost $20/share back in 2003/2004, but today lists as only 18 cents/share. Amiga Inc. has not struck me as wildly successful either, and regardless of what the owners ask for it, it's only worth what the highest bidder is willing to pay today.

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How much do you recon A.Inc is worth?



Well below 50 Eurocent...

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