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Leo 
Re: Inception Group Real Estate LLC v. Amiga Inc
Posted on 3-Jul-2009 5:28:38
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The Inception Group may be a one person company

Well, a one person company fighting another one person company: sounds fair to me...

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I understand what you're saying, but I don't see anything more than just the filing atm. I have no idea if this is regarding something new or addressing older business.

#6


Not quite putting on my "Armchair Lawyer" hat again But:

As The Amiga Inc gang were forced to "reactivate" Amiga Washington as Amino to attempt to counter some of Hyperion's claims, this would allow any Legal action that had been filed against Amiga Washington to be restarted. As things are tight in the economy this is a good chance to collect old debts with retroactive interest going back 8 years..........
If this forces Amino into bankrupcy even better for Hyperion.
Maybe Kinsel tipped them off about the "reactivation"

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@Leo

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The Inception Group may be a one person company

Well, a one person company fighting another one person company: sounds fair to me...

Yup!

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I don't see anything more than just the filing atm. I have no idea if this is regarding something new or addressing older business

http://gutjahr.free.fr/temp/Inception_v._Amiga.pdf

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So, this agreement between Amiga Washington (Amino), Amiga Delaware, and Inception was entered into in late 2008. Pentti signed it a little over two months before his death. If this document is real this is great news for Bolton, coupon holders, and others. Amiga DE has IMHO (and IANAL) admitted they are intrinsically tied and should pay debts of Amiga WA.

And big surprise, neither Amiga supposedly honored this according to Inception, and to add insult to injury this was with Inception negotiating the amount owed down from over $235,000 to $150,000.

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@cgutjahr

Thanks for that.

@DaveAE

Care to comment on #2 from the last page of this drivel?

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I wonder what Kinsel might use this document for in his defense of Hyperion? It shows that there was still key connections between the two firms as late as October 2008, with Bill McEwen signing as president of Amiga WA (Amino) and we know he is president of Amiga DE from their website and the Kent coverage from the press. While it does not prove insolvency at the time it is accused, it does hurt their credibility a lot, showing they don't seem to honor contracts in general. It also gives the impression that Amiga WA has not had money for a very long time since the original judgement was 11/03/2003. And if you couple that with the deposition from that other case where Bill spoke about Amiga WA being basically insolvent it will not (IMHO) take a jury or judge much effort to connect the dots.

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@cgutjahr

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cgutjahr wrote:
@number6

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I don't see anything more than just the filing atm. I have no idea if this is regarding something new or addressing older business

http://gutjahr.free.fr/temp/Inception_v._Amiga.pdf

Is that Bill's home address I see in there?

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@fairlanefastback

Forget that for the moment. (not dismissing your point, just a bit upset)
Read last page #2.
Then compare with the quote from Davy Wentzler on AW:

Quote:
I've generally spent the last couple of years trying to get money or stock from them for about 6 months of unpaid work. He always comes up with the same stories (next funding round, 2 more weeks, bla bla..).


Pentti said "was not exercised" because either:
(1)He NEVER knew what Bill was doing or offering to others in lieu of cash payment or
(2)Pentti cleverly used the phrase "exercised" to attempt to connote that no one had asked for this stock, when indeed they HAD discussed it.

Sorry, but imo, this document is deceptive at best...

Edit (added): To anyone living in a cave the last few years, here are 2 relevant threads about the stock:

Prokom stock
and the source of my quote above from OUR DaveAE (post #6):
[Poll] Should Amiga inc pay former employees?

I see that in the above thread Bolton Peck doesn't specifically mention stock, but, in his words, he also was approached about taking stock as well.
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1161197009&category=news

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@cgutjahr

Is that Bill's home address I see in there?


Since this is a public court document addresses of such a nature may be in it of course. I would caution everyone here that I'm not going to allow much of any talk in regard to anyone's home address from the document though in order to protect the interests of this web site. And just in general nothing much good can come of it. If people can't contain themselves to go onto that topic please discuss it somewhere else off this website.

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OK just checked, thats not a home address FYI.

http://tinyurl.com/naa7ue

It appears to be Amiga WA's business address.

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Its a Mailboxes Etc.

http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Mail.Boxes.Etc.425-433-1440

Amiga WA is box #199 in it it appears.

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@number6

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:iHNiyoUlN2IJ:gutjahr.free.fr/temp/Inception_v._Amiga.pdf+Inception+Group+Real+Estate+LLC+vs+amiga&cd=9&hl=no&ct=clnk&gl=no&client=firefox-a

or

http://gutjahr.free.fr/temp/Inception_v._Amiga.pdf

Weird, nothing there.
http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/washington/wawdce/2:2009cv00810/160298/

ah someone already found that thing

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http://gutjahr.free.fr/temp/Inceptions_Order_of_Default_against_Amiga_Delaware.pdf
http://gutjahr.free.fr/temp/Order_Granting_in_Part_Motion_for_Default_Judgment.pdf

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Interesting that this court does see Amino as KMOS as Amiga Inc...

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Interesting that this court does see Amino as KMOS as Amiga Inc...

it doesn't. The judge simply decided that Amiga have to pay because they promised to do so in November 2008, not for any other reason.

KMOS/Amiga were willing to pay a part of Amino's debts - we don't know why, and that's one of the two interesting things about this case. The other interesting bit of info is the fact that Amiga didn't show up at all. This is what the old Amiga did years ago, and it marked the beginning of the end for them. Let's hope it's the same for the new Amiga.

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KMOS/Amiga were willing to pay a part of Amino's debts - we don't know why, and that's one of the two interesting things about this case.


I wonder if Hyperion's lawyer was able to get any indication from Inception as to why Amiga Delaware took on that responsibility legally.

Regardless, good luck on them getting their money. Amiga Inc does not seem to be afraid to ignore court orders involving owed monies.

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fairlanefastback wrote:
@cgutjahr

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KMOS/Amiga were willing to pay a part of Amino's debts - we don't know why, and that's one of the two interesting things about this case.


I wonder if Hyperion's lawyer was able to get any indication from Inception as to why Amiga Delaware took on that responsibility legally.

Regardless, good luck on them getting their money. Amiga Inc does not seem to be afraid to ignore court orders involving owed monies.

What is there to fear when you can change your name and sell your "assets" to yourself and hire yourself as acting president?

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