@WolfToTheMoon

As I see it, this is about selling PC whit Ubuntu Linux, I don't see how this relevant to AmigaOS that we mostly talk about her, MorphOS is talked about her because share a lot whit AmigaOS, AROS is clone so your open to talk about it in “ALT AMIGA” forum Ubuntu how ever is Linux distribution running the Linux kernel, and this not what this site is about.

If you like to talk about Linux there is slashdot or the Ubuntu forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/

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I don't think it will be Ubuntu...

It will probably be UNIX/Linux based, though.
So it could end up being called "Amix".

We will know more in a week or two.

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@WolfToTheMoon

Yeah, both of us trolling.

However, the links i have presented show both low and high policies of CBM USA and I would love to hear your comments about it.

Its seems its all about the profit for CBM USA while we should agree with it and love this x86 Amiga concept, even when they are unwilling to hire few AROS programmers and improve x86 AROS for their own "Amiga" product.

What makes these CBM USA PC`s anyhow related to either Commodore Amiga`s ,
Amiga Inc AmigaOnes ... any ever so far produced Amiga`s or OS`s. Ability to run AROS and Linux on x86? Most of us can already do it, and AROS and PPC Linux users are already here.

To be honest, only one that we all hoped would benefit from the situation
was AROS community and all of us out of it - having better x86 AmigaOS (AROS) but that is not going to happen either.

About the link idea, when its done (when CBM USA starts to redirect people to AW.net) they my actually learn something.

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@WolfToTheMoon

OK call that Linux Amix, call yourself "Amiga to the moon",
yes, created the forums so the users don`t get abused (about learning the
reality) here ... Nice strategy

Yes, yes, we are all frustrated with our x86 Amigas.
They are our x86 PC`s but CBM USA has made us see.

If we install Linux and AROS they become x86 Amigas.

So I have my x86 Amiga too, and I don`t need theirs.

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@vox

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vox wrote: @WolfToTheMoon OK call that Linux Amix, call yourself "Amiga to the moon", yes, created the forums so the users don`t get abused (about learning the reality) here ... Nice strategy Yes, yes, we are all frustrated with our x86 Amigas. They are our x86 PC`s but CBM USA has made us see. If we install Linux and AROS they become x86 Amigas. So I have my x86 Amiga too, and I don`t need theirs.

It's missing Commodore-Amiga(TM) plastic case and label ....

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@digitex

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digitex wrote: @persia Do you know what a netbook motherboard is? Please share your vast knowledge of motherboards, and clue us all in about how you came to the incorrect conclusion (like most of your off base comments) that we use ANY netbook components? Unless, of course, you have a netbook that is 2" high. Why would you even waste your energy to make such a comment, without even looking at the specs. GEEEZ.

I could kit-bash my unused(2) ASUS G1SN 15.4" laptop(1) into A500 case i.e. < 1" high with heatsink+fan solution.


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1. Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 2.2Ghz+800Mhz FSB, i965 chipset, NV Geforce 9500M GS (G84M) 512MB VRAM, 4GB DDR2-667 main memory.
2. Cracked case.
3. Recycle Amiga keyboard via EZ-USB. http://ezhid.sourceforge.net/amikbd.html
4. Extend VGA and HDMI ports to the back.
'etc'

My second option is my old VYE S37 netbook...

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@WolfToTheMoon

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what happens when someone has enough time, persistence and bitterness to troll on these forums?

Uhm, they join AW.org like 6 weeks prior? :P

Plaz

@Plaz

Yup, and may this be our tagline.
Its genious sentence displayed by CBM USA

"All Commodore and Amiga computers fully support Ubuntu and Windows operating systems."

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Well digitex seems more interested in taunting than answering questions. Unfortunate.

Makes me simply ask... why did you come?

Many of us here are long time IT professionals. We're not easliy impressed with another x86 desktop, let alone an x86 sporting the label of our favorite hobby.

Sorry if that irratates you and WolfTTM, but that's just the lay of the land.

I'm very interested to know, what gain do you foresee in trying to gruffly persuade us we need another x86 PC? With the dialog exchange so far (or lack of) I might be more convienced C=USA wishes to just drown out the old guard in favor of the new.

Plaz


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well if it in fact runs AROS as it's main OS then I say it definitely has a place here

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@klx300r

It was a major fuzz in the beginning.

But OS page no longer mentions even OS
http://www.commodoreusa.net/os.html

And this was their response to AROS community

http://www.lamerexterminator.com/tag/commodore-usa/

So, the AROS argument is no longer that big.

Company that threatens Amiga.org portal for using decades old logo
they have licenced for their new PC? Or OS News for presenting
their view of the events?

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@vox

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vox wrote: @persia +1 What happens when someone has enough money, bravery and evilness to buy and exploit famous trademarks? Now, they announced 30 million campaign (nice for them, just waiting to see how they will raise and refund that money), started using couple AW members to promote it, and told AROS dudes they will not developed AROS or give them any

It sounds like a case of Spy Vs. Spy.

@sundown

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sundown wrote: @eniacfoa Quote: Then there is the out of date OS which would cost a fortune to catch up to windows/mac os... OS4 is a hobby OS, it is not now or ever was in competition with windows or osx. Read that 10 times if you have too until it sinks in. Quote: There is also zero demand. If you manufactured half a million ppc machines with its out of date amiga OS, Again, the Sams & the new x1000s are for those that enjoy their hobby & are not intended to compete with modern day pc systems. NG Amigas were never intended to replace business office pc's. This has been said many times by the OS4 developers, why ppl ignore this fact is beyond me. Quote: Yes your insane. I see you looked in the mirror, but aren't we all?

Your responses to my statements are completely out of context and therefore way off base.

The poster I responded to wanted to take the advertising budget of C=USA and use it to 'bring ppc up to mass production levels'. Why dont you tell him its a hobby OS you goose.

I am well aware its a hobby OS, Dont need to read it 10 times - but heres what you are not understanding - people want to talk about commercial possibilities. Not everyone in the amiga community wants AOS in its many forms to stay a hobby OS. Just because you do, dont assume everyone else feels the same.

So I was telling this guy C=USA'a budget is not enough to mass produce PPC nor is there any demand to manufacture so many machines. Am I wrong about that?

I suggest you take the time to read stuff properly before you launch such idiotic attacks.

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@WolfToTheMoon

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That is not my understanding of this site... if we were having this discussion at amigans.net, you'd be 100% right. However, this site is labeled amigaworld and thus should be, I repeat should be, opened to all amiga flavors.

Maybe a little history will help. Many of us have been Amiga users for 20-25 years now, We started with our classics & some of us moved up to the NG Amigas. Amiga.org was mostly classic, so those of us that went ppc moved to AW. This site was then & still is OS4 centric. We were all one here at that time, we shared our h/w & s/w problems & solutions.

You are fighting 20-25 years of OUR Amiga tradition, the tradition you claimed didn't exist in another post. The tradition persia tried to tell digitex, & got blown off for. You guys come into our house & blow off OS4 & our ppc h/w like we're stupid. We are stuborn with our hobby, it might not make sense to keep using ppc h/w to you, but some of us just enjoy what we do.

You're making more enemies then friends here because you don't share our hobby or our Amiga tradition. Both you & digitex need to do some boning up on the last 25 years of Amiga history.

Hope this helps you craft your posts about our choice of s/w & h/w in a more friendly way & avoid those ARs you could collect if you don't.

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@sundown

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sundown wrote: @WolfToTheMoon [quote] it might not make sense to keep using ppc h/w to you, but some of us just enjoy what we do

my only issue with that is ppc is now ultra expensive and is not competitive any more. There was a time when it was. Those days are gone. In the computer world, you need to keep moving forward. CBM would be x86 now if they didnt have scammers and morons running the show.

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@eniacfoa

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I suggest you take the time to read stuff properly before you launch such idiotic attacks. people want to talk about commercial possibilities. Not everyone in the amiga community wants AOS in its many forms to stay a hobby OS. Just because you do, dont assume everyone else feels the same.

I've been reading this forum for the last 7 years, a bit longer then you. The one message I did get was that ppc h/w & OS4 was nas not intended or ever be developed for the main stream. Its a hobby system from top to bottom. Most here know that, they just refuse to except that fact.

I do get tired of ppl like you bashing everything you don't like, I suggest you word your posts & show respect for what others enjoy using.

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@eniacfoa

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my only issue with that is ppc is now ultra expensive and is not competitive any more.

I won't argue that point, both true. But for those that have used nothing but Amigas all their lives don't care, though we do agonize over the price.

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@WolfToTheMoon

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However, seeing that some members here have a problem with x86 amigas and they do not seem to be willing to compromise

There is no problem with x86. Most of us have/use them daily, running windows or linux. There is a WM inspired in AOS3.x even for Linux. But we don't pretend those to be the new Amigas. That is what you don't seem to get. They are still PCs running a non Amiga OS.
Nothing to do with this community.

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It will probably be UNIX/Linux based, though. So it could end up being called "Amix".

Then when C=USA has something Amiga running in its computers we can talk about it. For now, we have AROS for our PC Amigas.

You can wait all the time it takes for you to have you C=USA computer running something modern and Amiga.

We can still run and develop/support our AmigaOS/MorphOS/AROS systems so they can be modern OSes. What problem do you have with that?

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@all
Or just buy a Imica or AresOne.... because they do allready what you are hoping from CUSA..... maybe you missed them?? Or are you really only interested in a Sticker??
If yeeess send me a mail and i put an imica in an C64-case just for you! Well i will take 20¤ per hour but you will have an more "original C64"...

If you wan't a new product with the name "Amiga"..... stay tuned....

My oh my.... this talk about "hot air" makes me

Best Regards,
and have a nice day....

If you wan't AROS to be a dream OS spend some bucks here:

www.clusteruk.com

or here www.ares-shop.de

or even better here: www.power2people.org

Whe are living now! now!

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@sundown

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You are fighting 20-25 years of OUR Amiga tradition, the tradition you claimed didn't exist in another post

Amiga tradition of the old ended in 1994 when CBM went bust. After that, I fail to see any Amiga tradition and it was well on it's way out even before bankruptcy.


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You're making more enemies then friends here because you don't share our hobby or our Amiga tradition

That's right... I do not want to share your amiga tradition if by tradition you mean the last 15 years of utter failure that resulted in bringing amiga name and platform in a near-death situation.

It just happens so that I think and believe x86 is the only way of bringing amiga name back where it belongs. Mainstream computers for individuals. If that is my crime, then so be it, I pledge guilty...

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