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tonyw 
Re: Where the @#&@(!& is "X" ???
Posted on 4-Jun-2011 6:36:47
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@opi

I'm sorry you didn't join in. We all miss your humour on the betatest forums.

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@opi

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You know why people didn't know how AmigaOne turned out before it was too late?NDA and secret forums + moderation of "trolling".

More about buggy chips & not willing to spend money to fix them. A-eon is not willing to screw over ppl, big difference.

Right now only the ppl who put money into the project need to know whats happening, the ones who decided to wait will see a quality system, those who never intend to buy or want A-eon to fail...well, moo has all the conspiracy theories to make you happy.

I have no more to say on this, everyone is free to believe progress is being made or not.

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@tonyw

I don't pay to be betatester. I'm being paid to be one. But that aside, I don't want to see Trevor failing but that does not mean I will keep pointing out those facts. Last time when AmigaOne went into Fight Club style of discussion (First rule of AmigaOne discussion is you don't talk about DMA) people paid money to get defective product. Yes, they where told it was tested.

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A-eon is not willing to screw over ppl, big difference.


I remember when people said the same thing about AmigaOne.

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moo has all the conspiracy theories to make you happy


I'm happy you're avid Moo reader, but you don't have to point me there, I know how to get there. Also: playing the Moo Kooks Ha ha game does not work on me. I'm not "ashamed" I'm hanging there. If I'd have to be ashamed of follow board-goer I'd have to quit AW, too.

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everyone is free to believe progress is being made or no


Yes, "believe".

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@opi

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@tonyw

Ah, the Amiga school of marketing. Hype, hype, prepay, NDA. So awesome.


Every company out there do the same, Apple, Microsoft..... And you squirt when is Apple who does it; hypocrisy is the name

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Every company out there do the same


Nope. MS is giving you beta tools, hell, you could test drive Windows 7 for free. Apple does not hype products by coming out saying "This summer!". When Jobs goes and delivers his keynote you can be sure to get your iToy in three months.

You people get defensive when someone says that "there's no software and OS is lacking" by saying "we're not MS or Apple!" but you're free to compare yourself to them if it suits your current stance?

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And you squirt when is Apple who does it


Please, point me to a quote. That would be really interesting to see as I'm rather strong critic of Apple's ecosystem and way of our changing world.

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hypocrisy is the name


Don't measure me by your values.

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Ok.. after this news months ago about the beta boards being produced, we havent heard one word of it. After what was it 2 years ago all the "what is X" hype? Why no news, its bordering on ridiculous. Especially now that the Sam boards are really coming along and filling market need for a high end amiga os4 box, will "X1000" ever be released?


It`s nowhere. They`re out of money. Otherwise it would already be here.

The real answer comes in a good old Amiga style,


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It`s nowhere. They`re out of money. Otherwise it would already be here.


I hope you have some evidence to back up those 'facts'...
If your not interested in the product why post in a forums about it?

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Posted on 4-Jun-2011 8:35:25
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i don't understand where's the problem: this is a niche market, not a mainstream one.
there'll be no revolution unless a "deus ex machina" doesn't invest some hundred millions euros in tech development.
i respect t.dickinson and i bet that if no one knows anything is because he's doing things the best he can without releasing buggy machines.
the fact is another: actually acube has released the sam460 lite.
it's now the best/cheapest machine for os4 and i don't know how many people will buy a 2k euros machine when you can buy a good 460lite for half the price while os4 doesn't support 2cores cpu.

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@rebraist

+1

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@tonyw

I can say that Im really happy I did not invest in this project; we have seen projects missing deadlines and failing before.

Now Im sitting her hopping the X1000 will come out so I can buy it, or should I invest my money in Sam460, I dont know what is going on whit X1000, and way its taking so long.

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@rebraist

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i don't know how many people will buy a 2k euros machine when you can buy a good 460lite for half the price while os4 doesn't support 2cores cpu.


Even for 2000 EUR, X1000 offers better price/performance ratio than SAM460EX-lite. My money is waiting for X1000.

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opi 
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or should I invest my money in Sam460


I'd go with Sam. ACube deserves support for being one of a few names in our nerdsphere that has nice track record.

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Posted on 4-Jun-2011 11:21:23
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@realize
Your rude & hysterical threads are not appreciated, particularly since they are usually factually wrong (not to mention extremely impatient). Please add this thread to the bin, along with:

Where is Hyperion? Why no OS4 news?????
Where is OS 4.2?? Why NO NEWS? (and this)


If you can't go less than 2 months without news, then I really think you need to change your expectations about how things work in the real world (and especially given that all Amiga-like stuff done in the past 10-15 years has been on small budget).


Those with a suspicious mind might wonder why the majority of your "I'm interested in OS4" posts seem to be highly negative about OS4... And of course, you also ignore any valid criticisms aim at you, and continue your strange behaviour. That is also suggestive that your motives are not what you claim them to be.

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@opi
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You know why people didn't know how AmigaOne turned out before it was too late?


I agree with your comment about NDA's and the suppression of criticism of the AmigaOne on these forums, but I think too much is made of the AmigaOne's faults. As a consumer, I was very happy with my AmigaOne. Even though the on-board sound didn't work, a discrete sound card was probably a better option anyway. Other than that, I think it did quite well what 99% of end users would want. I've yet to use a PC or Mac which is perfect.

I gave up on the Amiga because of the glacial pace of development of Amiga OS.

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freeaks 
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i think the x1000 board exist, i think beta tester have em or will have em (if not already).

the problem is as opi said: (in this thread, posts 18 and 19)

1.5 year ago, they said "you don't have to wait till summer"
it was lies. they must have known it wasn't possible to deliver boards to everyone in few month time. ( from january 2010 to summer 2010)
so it was just a strategy to counter what morphos had to offer at that time:
macmini port of morphos and such.. hyperion was 2 years away from being able to deliver yet they made the hype and false promises..
..deadlines can be missed that's not the problem, it happens all the time.

the problem is: (communication)
1st: in the original x1000 anouncement contained lies. (available before summer huh ? ..what year ?)
2nd: now 1.5 year later, the boards still ain't there. then, no communication from involved parties (hype-erion and a-eon).

well, even if x1000 machine really needed an NDA(for which i personaly doubt it.. as it's already an outdated piece of hardware), that wouldn't explain the lack of amigaos progress updates. os4.1 update 3 anyone ? any news?
hyperion could compensate the nda over the x1000 and feeds us some crispy news about os4 and most ppl would be happy i guess .. but no they seem to prefer ppl questioning , getting angry, doubtful and etc..

such behavior .. it must have been a commercial tactics and strategy all along, which i strongly reject.

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As somebody who is on the waiting list and did invest, and sign an NDA I feel I can comment.

Yes, it is taking a while, yes it is giving ammunition to the nay sayers but I am still happily waiting to receive it as soon as it is ready. It is technically out of date, but it was before it was announced. It will still be a great hardware experiment and nice users computer and as usual issues hold things up sometimes out of control of the original plans.

In the mean time, I look forward to seeing the new work done on AmigaOS4 running on it. Also if you cannot wait, the Sam as mentioned is a very nice, available now system.


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@RedMelons

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I gave up on the Amiga because of the glacial pace of development of Amiga OS.


+1 ;)

it's ridiculous. no wonder they don't communicate.
what could they say ..
i'm assuming no communication needed because
not much progress is being made so nothing to say to customers.

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Posted on 4-Jun-2011 11:52:05
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@freeaks

Last update from A-EON, March 2011
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5858&start=20

Quote:
With the production of AmigaOne X1000 Beta test boards in progress, A-EON technology is pleased to release schematics of the final revision 2 Nemo motherboard layout. In true "Amiga tradition" the lead designers have added their signatures to the Nemo motherboard. We are also pleased to reveal details of the upgraded XENA subsystem featuring a 500MHz, dual-core XS1-L2 XMOS chip. Please check out the latest images of the revision 2 Nemo and XENA schematics in the Media gallery on the A-EON Technology website.


Beta testers are waiting... so what is going on.

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@clusteruk

comeon it's mafia OS, buyers don't know when update will come, what will it contains and so on.. and most of the time complaining about the situation on the forum is considered heretic can lead to ban and etc..

so: pay, don't ask, don't complain, stay unaware

by the way, it was the same on morphos side i remember, that's exactly why i left morphos and now os4 team is adopting the same stances and behavior.
secrecy ... lol
for what? your OSes are so weak, so outdated..
at least aros which is in the same basket as a weak outdated OS (because of following outdated os3.x api instead of overhauling it to present time and standards) has a strong point: it's opensource.

secrecy heh ?
if os4 or morphos had something revolutionary in the pipeline that they wanted to protect from competitors or public knowledge until it gets out ... but no..
they're even still chasing after small basic standards such as *unicode* support ;) what could they have to protect ? it's a joke ..

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