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OlafS25 wrote: @wawa Really? I thought not but at the moment the community is too small for it anyway...

Just as you can sell GPL code I'd guess...

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@pixie

because that had a commercial concern behind it. you don't sue if there are no damages to be won. anyway the point is moot and being discussed in other threads.

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usually i tend to agree with you. but in this case however "idiotic" this plan might be it could not do a harm imho.

I mostly (see below) agree, but you and me are not owning any Amiga rights - i.e. we're not paranoid and greedy. What I hear about behaviour behind the scenes usually strongly reminds me of Gollum.

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the name following argument remains of weight, as its been well proven within the community.

Trying to prevent your brand from getting watered down too much is an important target for anybody controlling a brand. It's not nice, any threats (if there were any, clusteruk is pretty vague in that regard) are probably based on reasons that were made up on the spot and you could argue that the Amiga(OS) brand has been damaged beyond repair anyway - but it's not like the underlying idea is completely insane or cruel.

There have been enough parties trying to associate themselves with the Amiga and its OS (Bill "we're Amiga too" Buck, CUSA...) or testing how much they can get away with (CUSA and their AROS plans), so it should be expected that Ben Hermans currently barks at anybody who's looking in his direction.

That's why creating a fake OS4 distribution for the Pi was beyond stupid, IMHO.

@eliyahu


> From legal terms it is not allowed to "sell" a Aros distribution.

>> actually i think it is allowed, even if none in his right mind would
>> do it, at least just now. am i wrong?

You are allowed to sell an AROS distribution just as you're allowed to sell GPL distro, that's just what I meant in regard to the precious posts...

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... I'm not the guy who is driving developers away from AOS4.

Yeah, here here! Offers from developers, indeed offers of working for free from developers, in their spare time are simply ignored if you're not part of the "click".

Unprofessional and full of sheer ignorance is the best way I can describe it!

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@itix

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No, the worst case is everyone get confused when you have OS4 look alike demonstrated on Raspberry Pi when it is not OS4.

ok, after consideration i must admit you might be right. still i dont understand why clusteruk, apparently genuine os4 supporter would try to damage said os. certainly it would be better to have avoided any resemblance and have aros go alone for the target without dragging os4 into it.

@cgutjahr

point taken!

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@wawa

itix is right. For Hyperion "Look and feel" is the most important selling point (and additionally that they used the "original" 68k source code), that gives the user the "retro" feeling they want. Steve made a Aros distribution look like "AmigaOS" and they did not want it. He made it to support AmigaOS with good intentions but it is the decision of Hyperion to say no. Aros should have a Amiga-GUI but not imitating MOS or AOS. It should have its own identity. There are plenty of icon-sets available so it should be no problem.

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pixie wrote: You are allowed to sell an AROS distribution just as you're allowed to sell GPL distro, that's just what I meant in regard to the precious posts...

If it was all under the AROS Public License, you would be correct.

But if you include cdrom-handler (CDVDFS), which is under a separate license, and sell it, then you would be violating CDVDFS' license:

https://gitorious.org/aros/aros/blobs/ABI_V0/AROS/workbench/devs/CDVDFS/CDVDFS.readme

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LEGAL NOTICE ============ CDVDFS is a forked project based on AmiCDROM v1.15 by Frank Munkert (ln_fmu@pki-nbg.philips.de). This software may be freely distributed and redistributed for non-commercial purposes, provided this notice is included. There are no objections to anyone using or enhancing this code.

Note the 'non-commercial purposes' section. That implicitly does not give a commercial license.

Toni Wilen ran into this, which is why his AROS m68k build for WinUAE does *not* have cdrom-handler built into it. (so that WinUAE can be repackaged into Cloanto Amiga Forever).

This is also why I elected not to make & sell AROS m68k ROMs at AmiWest, as we have not yet written a fresh CDROM filesystem to replace CDVDFS.

@itix

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everyone get confused when you have OS4 look alike demonstrated on Raspberry Pi when it is not OS4.

Exactly. I'm sure Steve meant well but this was a rather unfortunate idea to promote OS4, and I'm not surprised that computer says no. *cough*

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Meanwhile on planet Car...


CEO of Trabant Motors to CEO of Maserati Automobiles:

Dear Mr Maserati,,

We at Trabant Motors remember the good old days when auto cars were simple things and cost very little.
Our fondest memory is of your innovative vehicles.
As we are such great fans of them, we have decided to make one that acts and looks very similar to your flagship model.
Please be assured that although it looks like your model, we won't actually use any Maserati parts.

We at Trabant are sure that you at Maserati will be delighted with the prospect of a low cost replica of your flagship vehicle.

Sadly, unlike you at Maserati, we have not invested in a factory or assembly plant.
This however is not an issue as we plan to approach Mazda motors and get them to manufacture the iMacerati.
We feel that Mazda have the market penetration to help flood the enthusiast market with the iMacerati model, which of course will lead to growth and innovation for Maserati Automobiles.

Please sign this legal partnership document at your earliest convenience.

Sincerely,


Mr Trabant.

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@ddni

Spot on! :)

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@ddni

except trabants were made by VEB Automobilwerk Zwickau and your whole construct has nothing to do with the actual relation between aros/mos/amiga/os4 or whatever except trying an atempt to suggest someone is an evil copycat again.

for your information. in car industry good designs have been copied with or without shame and right or regret. and it was effective enough. vw-beetle, ford>pobieda>warszawa, fiat>lada+fso, renault>dacia, numerous far east cars and cross links. just as example. there is more to mention, but who cares---

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@Swoop

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Swoop wrote: @Arko I really wonder what "ongoing collaboration" means then.

We give and they take... ;^)

Actually it's a two-way street, but trust needs to be built first.

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@eliyahu

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eliyahu wrote: @damocles Quote: Could you please clarify who the "stakeholders" are and why would a clone need to ask? because no matter how good your intentions you cannot copy the look and feel of a commercial operating system without permission. period. steve had a nice idea, but he can't be upset when the people who own the GUI elements he wants to use say, 'no thanks.' that's their right. it may not be the nice thing to do, but it's their right. -- eliyahu

It's not true. Take a look at the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Dev._Corp._v._Borland_Int'l,_Inc.]Lotus versus Borland case[/url].

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Dev._Corp._v._Borland_Int'l,_Inc.#Impact]Specifically[/url]:

"The Lotus decision establishes a distinction in copyright law between the interface of a software product and its implementation. The implementation is subject to copyright. The public interface may also be subject to copyright to the extent that it contains expression (for example, the appearance of an icon). However, the set of available operations and the mechanics of how they are activated are not copyrightable. This standard allows software developers to create original clones of copyrighted software products without infringing the copyright."

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thinkchip wrote: @thread One thing I've noticed about AmiWest is that nothing new is ever revealed and nothing much happens. The only time something happens is at the Italian shows. How many people attended anyway? Some day I'll drive the 500 miles and see what really goes on there. I'd have to use three days of vacation pay.

You don't have to drive, I'd be happy to pilot you there. ;^) Then you'd see there's much more than can be shown over streaming audio/video. Over the past 6 years, I'm glad I've had the vacation time to be able to attend and meet old and new Amiga friends.

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*Yawns

Someone wake me up when this tired, re-hashed, heard it all before arguments are all over with.

Although, I suspect I may not live long enough to see it.

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@wawa

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in car industry good designs have been copied with or without shame and right or regret ... ford>pobieda>warszawa, fiat>lada+fso, renault>dacia

Bad example - *all* of those weren't "copies" but have been paid for and officially licensed.

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@ddni

Although it really doesn't fit to the actual AROS/AmigaOS situation - you made my day! Very funny.

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@cha05e90

Although it was bad idea from the beginning he had permission from an author of original icons. And I am not even sure if Hyperion owns any rights to OS4 icon sets.

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