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AmigaBlitter 
Re: Some Power related news
Posted on 18-Dec-2015 8:37:14
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http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/209523-ibm-announces-7nm-breakthrough-builds-first-test-chips-on-new-process-with-euv

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Old stuff by now, perhaps posted also before, so a memory refresh about T4240 microserver:
http://www.nxp.com/video/isscc-interview-with-ibms-ronald-luijten-on-the-qoriq-t4240-based-microserver:INTERVIEW-RONALD-LUIJTEN-T4240

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Re: Some Power related news
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@KimmoK: exactly. They are just test chips, and before going in production it requires some years.

BTW, your video was already posted here.

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@KimmoK

Any word from NXP if they are going to continue development of the PPC?

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Don't know if i already link this page:

https://www.power.org/documentation/porting-u-boot-and-linux-to-t4240-systems/

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I found interesting the news that VeriSilicon acquired the vivante gpu company.

http://www.verisilicon.com/newsdetail_275_VeriSilicon%20Completes%20Acquisition%20of%20Vivante.html

It's interesting cause they can create soc based on arm/mips/ppc

http://www.verisilicon.com/SiPaaSSolutions_1_5_1_HDVideoPlatforms.html

Very silicon is openpower partner

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https://www.power.org/newsletter/power-org-december-2015-newsletter/

https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/fe313521-2e95-46f2-817d-44a4f27eba32/entry/Announcing_a_New_Era_of_Openness_with_Power_3_0?lang=en

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Thanks for the pointers. New Power ISA 3.0... interesting... wonder what will use that?

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@damocles

Their material say they will be using both power and arm cores and that their layerscape SOC is core agnostic. Other than that, 99% of marketing material is now about ARM this and ARM that.

I think all mentions of PowerArchitecture next generation core has disappeared after y2013, it would seem there will be new NXP SOC chips that use PowerArchitecture, but no any real info if they ever update the PowerArchitecture core.
(so it seems those lovely short pipeline PPC chips will be available to buy for some 20 years, but they might not evolve much)

It seems on the Open Power side, the core development continues, though. Power9 is coming and Power 10 is planned. There might be some embedded new Power core based smaller SoC chips for niche motherboard builders, or not.
(to me IBM Power is not as cool as e6500 for our niche needs)

eg. Verisilicon is capable to produce GPU equipped PowerPC compatible SoC chips, but they will need some millions of USD as prepayment. I see no PowerPC fan with that kind of spare cash.

PA-Semi "happened" because other PowerPC core/chip developers were being lazy or incompetent. Similar could happen again, but it most likely does not happen as "the ship has sailed", there does not seem to be enough market for that.
ARM is gaining more and more momentum, they have more resources for core/ISA development than the Power side.

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@AmigaBlitter

Quote:

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https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/fe313521-2e95-46f2-817d-44a4f27eba32/entry/Announcing_a_New_Era_of_Openness_with_Power_3_0?lang=en

They require a registration just to download the document.

Open Power? Openness? Not so open...

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@cdimauro

So what? many sites requires registration.

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@KimmoK

I'm sure they will continue to produce whatever contracts they currently have for their customer base. Less they come up with a far cheaper PPC SOC, market pressure will drive things to the cheapest alternative which will be ARM based SOCs.

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Quote:

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So what? many sites requires registration.

Normally CPU vendors doesn't require it, because it's their interest to widespread the adoption of their chips/architectures.

Only when there are NDAs you're required to register.

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Samsung joins IBM, Google, in open OpenPower alliance.

Future Power Based Tablet or SmartPhones?

https://www.power.org/media-coverage/samsung-joins-ibm-google-in-openpower-alliance/

"What role Samsung will play in the OpenPower Consortium was not disclosed. Samsung has dabbled with a number of chip architectures including x86 and ARM. The company makes mobile chips called Exynos based on ARM architecture that are used in its smartphones and tablets, and the company is also making ARM-based server chips. Samsung also offers laptops based on x86 chips from Intel and Advanced Micro Devices."


and other interesting readings...
https://www.power.org/article/power-architecture-for-the-internet-of-things/

Global Foundry has licensed 14 nm FinFET from Samsung.

From http://www.techpowerup.com/218578/samsung-to-fab-amd-zen-and-arctic-islands-on-its-14-nm-finfet-node.html
Samsung to Fab AMD "Zen" and "Arctic Islands" on its 14 nm FinFET Node.


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https://www.power.org/newsletter/power-org-december-2015-newsletter/

https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/fe313521-2e95-46f2-817d-44a4f27eba32/entry/Announcing_a_New_Era_of_Openness_with_Power_3_0?lang=en



From your link
"Power ISA 3.0 no longer has optional categories, or separate server and embedded ISA architecture options, as the new specification supports the entire range of implementations."


It's about time IBM stops with kit-bashing their Power ISA. Newer CPU should be a superset of the past ISA. AMD's Jaguar cheap embedded CPU for Xbox One and PS4 has the entire desktop PC X64 ISA as per Intel Ivybridge era. ARM sticks to their restrict ARMv7 and ARMv8 ISA standards. The latest X64 CPU can still run MS-DOS 1.0.


Incompatible FPU, supervisor mode instruction changes, certain instructions disappearing, certain instructions changing it's results are legacy killing/anti-software investment protection ISA kit-bashing.

The CPU vendor should be reducing the workload for OS and App vendors not creating new problems.





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Re: Some Power related news
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@Hammer

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/39749-ibm-power-is-back-from-the-dead

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3025488/data-center/ibms-power-systems-biz-is-growing-again.html

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Interesting news.

Plans to move to 16nm FinFET

https://www.power.org/newsletter/power-org-january-2016-newsletter/

https://www.power.org/newsletter/power-org-february-2016-newsletter/

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Did anyone notice this part?

" http://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-the-talos-project-wants-to-provide-an-open-and-expandable-power8-workstation/ "

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@thread

March newsletter

https://www.power.org/newsletter/power-org-march-2016-newsletter/

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10222/nvidia-announces-tesla-p100-accelerator-pascal-power-for-hpc

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So OpenPower CPU's can be connected directly to a GPU through NVLink connection when other CPU's are limited to PCIe 3.

@A-Eon
What about making an X10000 with Power8 and Tesla P100 (-> XP800) sub 5000 EUR (including taxes and AmigaOS license) !?

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