@cdimauro

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Yeah, we know that only Windows crashed, and people lose their work. It never happened to Amiga, right?

Lol! You know, one of many things I'm thankful Amiga for was an automatic saving of the documents I'm working with. This was necessary because of either bad stability of the system or because of my toying with programming or both :)

The automatic saving of documents in the background was pretty simple but yet powerful - with Amiga I have just learned to press the "save" key combination without even notifying it :)

btw. set a thread for vintage stuff.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40363&forum=4&0


@cdimauro

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>>@CBM management insanity
>>My A4k came with 1Mb chip + 0Mb fast + 0Mb HDD.
>You don't even know the base specs of your Amiga 4000.

My A4k was shipped to me with that spec.
With some heavy reclamation calls I managed to get 2Mb chip RAM for it without extra cost.

Does not change the fact that you are wrong as usual.

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That idiocy does not need to be on the front page...

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40364&start=0&post_id=763366&order=0&viewmode=thread&pid=0&forum=4#763366

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@KimmoK

At the time of Window$ 3.1, AmigaOS was far ahead!

Just a quick example, even Amiga 500 was capable to format a floppy disk in perfect multitasking with the user actually using the system during the operation, while Window$ was poorly stuck ... it is a question of design

PC / Intel advocates here may remember.

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@Massi

>At the time of Window$ 3.1, AmigaOS was far ahead!
>Just a quick example, even Amiga 500 was capable to format a floppy disk in perfect multitasking with the user actually using the system during the operation, while Window$ was poorly stuck ... it is a question of design

Windows 95 did not improve that feature.

And while I was doing backup to floppies on the win95 system, the system behaved badly and after disk error appeared one had to restart from the beginning.
On Amiga I just clicked retry if needed.

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'How to make Amiga OS a leading operating system?'

Hmmm, first go back twenty years ........

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@Massi

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Massi wrote: @KimmoK At the time of Window$ 3.1, AmigaOS was far ahead! Just a quick example, even Amiga 500 was capable to format a floppy disk in perfect multitasking with the user actually using the system during the operation, while Window$ was poorly stuck ... it is a question of design PC / Intel advocates here may remember.

Speaking about multitasking, when will Amiga O$ 4 get multicore support? AmigaOS was famous for its good multitasking back in the heydays. Amiga O$ 4 with its "modern features" has degenerated AmigaOS to crap.

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@Hillbillylitre

> Amiga O$ 4 with its "modern features" has degenerated AmigaOS to crap.

You should put real AGA&68060+AOS3+apps and SAM+AOS4+apps side by side and try yourself.

I bet you find AOS4 less crappy vs modern needs.

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@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote: @Hillbillylitre > Amiga O$ 4 with its "modern features" has degenerated AmigaOS to crap. You should put real AGA&68060+AOS3+apps and SAM+AOS4+apps side by side and try yourself. I bet you find AOS4 less crappy vs modern needs.

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KimmoK wrote: You should put real AGA&68060+AOS3+apps and SAM+AOS4+apps side by side and try yourself. I bet you find AOS4 less crappy vs modern needs.

All versions of AOS are stuck in the past. That AOS4 is ahead of AOS3 matters not, because it's just as stuck as AOS3.

Which leads me to ask the question: Why would anyone want AOS to become a leading OS? If anything, AOS needs to be replaced.

@Thorham

>Why would anyone want AOS to become a leading OS?

Right, because it is not within reach.
(but I think it would not be harmfull either?)

>If anything, AOS needs to be replaced.

If updating is too hard task to do (as it seems to be, taking lifetimes), yes.
Take the loved features and add new ones, compile, profit.

(I can use 3.9, MorphOS and 4.1 for legacy stuff anyway + can donate for sandbox implementation)

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@Thorham

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Which leads me to ask the question: Why would anyone want AOS to become a leading OS? If anything, AOS needs to be replaced.

It has been replaced, by whatever one used to post to this forum. The problem is that a lot of people don't seem to like the replacement as much as the original (myself included (partially)).

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@Hillbillylitre

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has degenerated AmigaOS to crap

Bold words frome someone, who never used it.

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Hillbillylitre Quote: has degenerated AmigaOS to crap Bold words frome someone, who never used it.

You don't have to use it to know it can only use one core and 32 bit of that "fantastic" AmigaOne PA6T PPC CPU. It has been like this for many years now. AmigaOS 4 is neither compatible with old real Commodore Amiga computers nor can exploit the hardware it actually runs on.


It's crap from one end to the other.

Talking about Bold words...

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@Hillbillylitre

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It has been like this for many years now

Since 1985, I think...

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AmigaOS 4 is neither compatible with old real Commodore Amiga

Any source for such claim?

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Talking about Bold words...

I agree, hollow words would fit better.

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bison write: It has been replaced, by whatever one used to post to this forum. The problem is that a lot of people don't seem to like the replacement as much as the original (myself included (partially)).

I obviously meant replaced on Amigas and AOS machines. Both Amigas and AOS machines can do better than AOS.

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Hillbillylitre I agree, hollow words would fit better.

Instead of packing it in why not just call it lies?

And using huge high teck video cards that can not get utilized more than a few percentages of... It's ridiculous.

While you are playing Quake from 1996 on your "modern" $3000+ AmigaOne with AMD HD graphics using Amiga O$ 4 with only opengl v1, I can play real modern games on my AmigaTwoX86 Windows 7 with the same graphics card using openGL v4


This demonstrates the 3D capabilities a bit:

Amiga OS4: http://postimg.org/image/gjq4qo5zv/
VS
My aging Radeon HD6800 machine: http://postimg.org/image/m3acxs21z/



AmigaOne plus AmigaOS4 is like a huge Crap that costs money. Who the hell buys crap?

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @cdimauro Quote: S3 Graphics introduced S3 911A in June 1990 with a Windows accelerator delivering 256 colours" Depending what you count as "normal PC". In sub 1000 USD class, KimmoK is right.

There's no definition of "normal PC", but if someone has one, well, he can report it.

A PC was a configurable machine, and you can change every component depending on you needs. If you wanted/needed an hardware accelerated graphic card, you had the possibility to do it... paying more.
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Quote: Please can you report the list of so much o.s.-friendly games? There are few nice titles: Battle Chess (works even on OS4!) Civilization Colonization Dune 2 Gloom Deluxe Gunship 2000 SimCity 2000 UFO

I know that there were games which ere o.s.-friendly. I already reported the one which I know for sure: Frontier. So, I haven't said that there were no such kind of games.

The point is that they were rare birds, since the vast majority of them killed the o.s. to take full control of the machine.
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Quote: Please, translate at least in dollars, otherwise any comparison is impossible. 1993-02-01 1 UKP = 1.4395 USD

OK, thanks. However I think that it's better to take some country as a reference, and use all data available to make some comparison without getting mad.

You already did a good work, so for me it's fine to take those data as a reference, eventually introducing something which is missing.

@michalsc

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michalsc wrote: @cdimauro Quote: Yeah, we know that only Windows crashed, and people lose their work. It never happened to Amiga, right? Lol! You know, one of many things I'm thankful Amiga for was an automatic saving of the documents I'm working with. This was necessary because of either bad stability of the system or because of my toying with programming or both :) The automatic saving of documents in the background was pretty simple but yet powerful - with Amiga I have just learned to press the "save" key combination without even notifying it :)

Same for me. Even if I an application had this feature enabled, I continuously press the save document (or all documents/project), even more times per minute, because of the terror to lose something.

I have to "thank" Amiga for this compulsive behavior which I still have.

@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote: @cdimauro ... >>@CBM management insanity >>My A4k came with 1Mb chip + 0Mb fast + 0Mb HDD. >You don't even know the base specs of your Amiga 4000. My A4k was shipped to me with that spec. With some heavy reclamation calls I managed to get 2Mb chip RAM for it without extra cost.

So, you're confirming that the real configuration was the one well known and sold: 2MB of chip mem were the standard / build-in base memory of the Amiga 4000. It seams that someone stolen one 1MB of that RAM, and you got it back after your protests.

And what about your built-in hard disk? Was it stolen as well?
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Does not change the fact that you are wrong as usual.

You can prove it. I've replied to so many things that you've written, that you have A LOT of chances to show that I was wrong...
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+++++++++++ That idiocy does not need to be on the front page...

That's a personal attack: typical of who isn't able to sustain a discussion.
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40364&start=0&post_id=763366&order=0&viewmode=thread&pid=0&forum=4#763366

No problem: we can continue there.

@Thorham

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I obviously meant replaced on Amigas and AOS machines. Both Amigas and AOS machines can do better than AOS.

I'm not sure I understand the distinction you are making between 'Amigas' and 'AOS machines'.

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