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alanwall 
Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 1-May-2021 17:33:20
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@Samurai_Crow

it's here :
https://nightly.muidev.de

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Re: What is happening with MUI?
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@alanwall, @Samurai_Crow

I was more curious about the keyfile. Wasn't it MUI that at one point stopped responding to requests for keyfiles? I don't mean to pick on them; I was just trying to remember, and I was most curious as to whether the OP was able to resolve.

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Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 1-May-2021 19:42:46
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@simplex

Stephan Stuntz stopped making keyfiles in 2007.

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the machine which generates the keyfiles is broken.


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Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 1-May-2021 19:55:05
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@number6

And this way we like Reaction more, I’m pretty sure tried to pay for key file once. Now I won’t try again unless I can get a conformation about other people getting one.

Reaction has always a unified look.

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noXLar 
Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 1-May-2021 20:22:22
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@NutsAboutAmiga

hi!

please let me apologize for the delay in handling your
registration. due to a hardware failure of my good old a3000, i am
unable to create personalized keyfiles at the moment. when i manage to
repair it, you will get one immediately.

part of he mail i got from him in 2013 when i bought one, it's in another name.. but i didnt care really


btw, cool explanation about the emulation layer ppc must go through.. no wonder pc used decade to emulate aga well

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Hitman 
Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 1-May-2021 21:16:40
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@simplex

No I (the OP) wasn't able to find MUI 3.9. What is strange is that googling for it brings up some hits that indicate that it used to be on Aminet, but it's gone now. Maybe there were some copyright problems that resulted in it being taken down.

What is a bit unusual is that the https://github.com/amiga-mui/muidev site is run by Jens Maus and Thore Böckelmann, two quite well respected Amigans. I'm a bit surprised it's gone quiet.

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nikospagonis 
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@Hitman

Hey there

I have almost all previous versions of MUI if you still need one.

Let me know

Nikos

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cgutjahr 
Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 3-May-2021 15:26:11
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@Hitman
Quote:

What is strange is that googling for it brings up some hits that indicate that it used to be on Aminet, but it's gone now. Maybe there were some copyright problems that resulted in it being taken down.

MUI 3.9 was never on Aminet, that version of MUI was distributed on the OS4 CD and with early MorphOS releases.

You don't need 3.9, MUI 3.8 - which is on Aminet - is perfectly fine and features the very same functionality.

I would also stay clear of MUI 4/5, unless an application explicitly requires that version or greatly benefits from it. It's a resource hog.

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What is a bit unusual is that the https://github.com/amiga-mui/muidev site is run by Jens Maus and Thore Böckelmann, two quite well respected Amigans. I'm a bit surprised it's gone quiet.

So has the YAM repository, which is maintained by the same people and hasn't seen an update in ages. Even "well respected" developers might loose interest in this hobby. Jens and Thore wouldn't be the first.

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Hitman 
Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 6-May-2021 18:27:25
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@cgutjahr

Ahh this explains why I can't find it anywhere! And yes, I want to avoid the newer versions. Thanks for the info.

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NutsAboutAmiga 
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@noXLar

“btw, cool explanation about the emulation layer ppc must go through.. no wonder pc used decade to emulate aga well”

You learn a lot by exploring code, I learned EUAE when developed chipset.library, one of my experiments exploring how to implement chipset support for AmigaOS4.1, it kind a works, and kind of not work, part of problem is AmigaOS4.1 does not care if a programs asks for CHIP or FAST, and part of the problem is that I need to reserve chipset address space for my own use, AmigaOS4.1 does not allow that, if it did the chipset can be soft emulated with ease.

Also there is problem in AmigaOS4.1 where it will pick true color screen, if screen mode is not explicitly defined, while most program should be given fake screen mode in that case, as most Amiga systems did not have true color support, from factory.

I think this are main problems way you can’t run most 680x0 programs on AmigaOS4.1 on AmigaONE system, without EUAE.

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Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 18-Sep-2021 9:24:46
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@Hitman

Did you ever find this? I've been looking myself for use with UAE. But the latest iBrowse can't even be used to download the latest 68k software. Honestly, I don't know why 68K releases aren't uploaded to a site that can be viewed with an Amiga browser. Else what's the point? I don't see the point of Amiga software you can't download from AmigaOS. Why not just use another OS and forget about Amiga then?

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kriz 
Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 18-Sep-2021 11:24:04
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@Hypex
http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/mui38usr is all you need (and aminet works still on Amiga), get key here for example https://www.mikeslab.net/amiga/

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Hypex 
Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 18-Sep-2021 13:11:36
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@kriz

Thanks but this one is broken. The installer doesn't work on OS3.9. Missing files error. Given how long it's been surprised it wasn't fixed since. But it pre-dates OS3.9 so why I would also like MUI3.9.

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kriz 
Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 18-Sep-2021 15:42:43
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@Hypex
From another earlier post regarding this issue:
"Install Boingbag1 for OS3.9 first, then unpack the MUI archive again and it should install fine.

Problem is the little smiling face icon in the MUI directory. Its file name is just a space character. And UnArc without any fix is unable to correctly unpack archives with file names containing spaces.

If you don't want to install BB1, you can unpack the MUI archive with LhA or any other unpacker. Just UnArc / xfd.library does not work."

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Futaura 
Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 19-Sep-2021 13:10:53
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@Hypex

IBrowse can be used to download the files from GitHub - try https://github.com/amiga-mui/muidev/releases/download/MUI-3.9-2015R1/MUI-3.9-2015R1-os3.lha or https://github.com/amiga-mui/muidev/releases for all versions.

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Hypex 
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Posted on 19-Sep-2021 17:54:39
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@kriz

I thought I might need a BoingBag. But I couldn't tell if I needed it. I even located the installer and it I don't know if it checks. But it wanted the CD. So I gave up as I don't know where I put it and now need to stuff around making an image.

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Hypex 
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@Futaura

Thanks but it looks so messed up man! It used to look normal downloading Amiga stuff. Also the SASG site is still active so I don't know why it's not put on there.

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Kronos 
Re: What is happening with MUI?
Posted on 19-Sep-2021 18:46:34
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@Hypex

Had a similar issue recently, didn't feel like digging for the CD (which does exist!) or installing a drive to the A3000. Luckily I did have a booting drive with drivers for the HighWay.

Googled for the ISO put it onto an USB stick with ImageMount (Aminet) moved both to the A3000's HD (seeking on USB1.1 ain't no fun) and installed:

AmigaOS3.9
BB1
BB2
€-Update

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Hypex 
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Posted on 22-Sep-2021 15:13:11
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@Kronos

I found I actually had it handy sitting in my FS-UAE CDROM folder. But it didn't help. BB1 went okay. But it doesn't update the Startup-sequence for some reason. I recall this problem.

The trouble came with BB2. I installed this, and it reccomended not to install the ROM update on UAE, so I didn't. But after a reboot it just kept crashing on boot. So I had to reinstall with the ROM update, was easiest thing to do. Even after that Unarc was still not fixed.

Then I made it worse when I installed the unofficial BB3+4! BB3 at least. It still boots but I use KingCON and BB3+4 is not compatible! Not on my setup. Now the shell crashes. And I can't get a CLI!

I know we have OS3.2 these days. But how did we put up with this crap? If a real Amiga person asks me what OS4 offers I can tell them it offers a workng Workbench without needing any hacks!

Since I bought OS3.1.4 I might as well use it even though I had intended to use it on the real thing.

Last edited by Hypex on 22-Sep-2021 at 03:14 PM.

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Kronos 
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Posted on 22-Sep-2021 18:50:46
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@Hypex

Quote:

Hypex wrote:
But how did we put up with this crap?


Dunno, I kinda quit Amiga after 3.5 turned out as quarterbacked as it was and only came back with Amithlon (which already had the BeanBags installed).

Nowadays it's just tinkering for the sake of tinkering and my level of "thats good enough" is far lower for anything Amiga than it was 20 years ago.

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