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Software News : AmiZilla Update 9/12/05 |
| posted by Ants on 9-Dec-2005 3:40:44 (7445 reads) |
After many months of little activity, the AmiZilla project has had a kick of adrenaline- news on the GTK->MUI project, and some unexpected help!
AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
Right, it' s been awhile since we had an update- as we didn't have much time free, things were quiet there for awhile. But recently it's been quite exciting!
Firstly, oli has finished his GTK->MUI AROS Bounty- though not actually part of the AmiZilla project it will be of great help! To get the GUI working, there may be some extra GTK and GLib functions needed, and GDK will need porting. Some GDK Functions can be ported as is, but many will need porting to Cybergraphics/Picasso96 and possibly MUI. GDK accesses many X11 calls, so these will need to be converted or possibly the code copied from the X11 source.
GTK->MUI Screenshots
GTK->MUI Demo code and compiled exes (68k)
Also, OS4 people have ported the the GTK->MUI emulation layer from AROS to AmigaOS4:
GTK->MUI screenshot (OS4)
Max has done some initial work in getting the NSPR (low-level OS abstraction layer) working under AmigaOS4, which looks promising.
But the real exciting bit is Piyush Khengar (Captain Moo Moo on AW), who is a lecturer at King's College London, is getting five of his 3rd year Electronic Engineering students who have covered C/C++ in their 1st two years of study, to help on the AmiZilla project as the practical part of their coursework!
Now, great as this is, just remember that these students aren't that experienced in programming, or familiar with the Amiga OS. They may take awhile to get to grips with such a big project like this, so don't expect too much from them for a few months- they're meant to be spending 5-10 hours a week for 6 months on their projects.
AmiZilla has been split up into individual projects for them- as we have five students, we have added in creating a GTK->Reaction layer to AmigaOS4, and maybe porting AmiZilla to MorphOS and AROS, as well as the AmigaOS 3.1 target:
Project Number: 1
Port the GDK library from Linux to AmigaOS3.1. The GDK library is a medium level video abstraction layer for the GTK Library on Linux.
Project Number: 2
Help with the GTK->Reaction project (AmigaOS3.9 and AmigaOS4).
Project Number: 3
Create a GTK emulation layer for the Reaction GUI on AmigaOS3.9 and AmigaOS4.
Port the GDK emulation layer (Project #1) to Amiga OS3.9 and AmigaOS4.
Project Number: 4
Create a GTK and GLib emulation layer for the Reaction GUI on AmigaOS3.9 and AmigaOS4.
Project Number: 5
Finish off programming the XPCOM, and NSPR layer, and get it all working, and get AmiZilla compiling and running. Also put an Arexx port on AmiZilla.
Project Number: 6
Finish off programming the NSPR, and get it all working, and get AmiZilla compiling and running.
Get an X11 Server running on AmigaOS3.1, and compile the GTK, GLib and GDK sources (Linux ones) directly into libs, and get an AmiZilla Window up.
Port AmiZilla to AROS and MorphOS (using the MUI GUI).
For those interested, the full specs for these projects are here:
Full Project Specifications (LZX)
Full Project specifications (Text)
And a Resource List has been started here: Amizilla Resources
Note: some of these may yet be adjusted (especially as there are 6 projects and only 5 programmers- we had a couple of programmers drop out). And I realise that we can't use the C++ lib in Mozilla, and we won't use it in the GTK emulation layers either.
As we have five students, we would appreciate it if some developers could come and help the students! We only have about 3 developers active in AmiZilla, and none of us have much free time, so we're concerned we may not be able to help them enough- especially in the early stages, until they get more experience and can work more on their own. Note: they would only have to provide advice, and help the students if they get stuck- they don't have to actually spend time doing any coding if they don't want to! Note: at the moment the students will only be researching over the holidays, they won't actually be coding until they come back next year.
Also, as we're doing ports to AmigaOS4, MorphOS and AROS, it'd be good if devs from those platforms, could help the students with any OS specific problems they may face on those platforms. :)
And again, remember, there is the AmiZilla bounty, which goes to people who help in the project (when finished of course).
To join the AmiZilla list, either send an email to amizilla-subscribe@yahoogroups.com , or go to the AmiZilla Yahoo Groups website (but you need to create a Yahoo account, to do it this way). Also, donations to help encourage more developers, are most welcome too! :) - AmiZilla- DiscreetFX
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Re: AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
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| This is great news and a welcome update! 
I know we probably wont get anything usefull for a while but its great to hear that this project is moving forward and that we will have a more uptodate capable browser on the Amiga.....
Now all we need if for some other Uni professor to setup some students to port OpenOffice and we should be sorted!!
Thanks,
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Re: AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
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Re: AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
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Re: AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
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| Now all we need if for some other Uni professor to setup some students to port OpenOffice and we should be sorted!! |
Oh, he tried, but alas there was no response :(
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Re: AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
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Re: AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
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| Hello, this is my first post here, and just to keep info updated, here's two news from Andrea 'Afxgroup' Palmaté that he gave to us italian users during a discussion on GTK+->MUI:
1) "Glib 2.6.0" is done, even if, in this very very first version uses some "patches" to work properly.
2) He had compiled also "Pango".
Hope this can help improve this project info status.
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Re: AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
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| GREAT NEWS!
I hope to see SOON some portings from linux...
just a simply GQView was a nice thing to start
And then maybe TheGIMP?
Tuxedo. Last edited by Tuxedo on 09-Dec-2005 at 09:13 PM.
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Re: AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
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| With GTK+ and Glib ported to AOS4 I hope soon to see Gimp for AOS4!
And many more nice Linux proggies
Good work and good luck to all those involved!
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Re: AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
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| Thanks all! :)
@ Raffaele:
Hey, cool- what OS is that on? And can you get him to email me so we can co-ordinate things: ants AT paradise DOT net DOT nz - thanks!
@Tuxedo
Yeah, but if a program needs GDK stuff, then it won't be so easy to port. :/
We'll be working on GDK though! :)
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Re: AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
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Good news
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Re: AmiZilla Update 9/12/05
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>@ Raffaele:
>Hey, cool- what OS is that on?
Andrea is noted to be a respectful AmigaOS programmer here in Italy. It is also registered on this forum site and writes here almost once a week.
It is obvious that he is developer for AOS.
>And can you get him to email me so we can co-ordinate things:
>ants AT paradise DOT net DOT nz - thanks!
He will notice our discussion when he come back from MotorShow in Bologna, the biggest car&moto&"other motorized thingies" event here in Italy. He is currently visiting and enjoying it.
However your proposal sounds very good to me.
As you point the words "co-ordinate the work" I recall that I noticed that there is no a very strong co-ordination in this project.
Oliver 'Oli', Andrea 'Afxgroup', Ilkka, Itix are working on it and also CaptainMooMoo and his students, and seems to me that the first group Oli, Afx, etc. is working in parallel with the second one, without any co-ordination.
Hope that CaptainMooMoo would contact first group in order to join efforts, if not the efforts regarding Amizilla, at least the efforts regarding all libraries.
My personal opinion is that we need a joint Amiga/Amithlon/Aros/Classic/Pegasos/RCDrummondUAE/WinUAE site which should list ALL works-in-progress, who are the coordinators of the projects, and current status of the works. It must list also persons who would join and persons who are leaving the pending jobs.
So any programmer could get a peek on the site and avoid duplicate projects... More! He/she/them will avoid waste of time and stress, and this will benefit largely Amiga community worldwide.
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| i've ported glib, pango and atk for OS4. Thomas Frieden ha ported glib too and i'm working to merge all modifies into one.
Look that glib work with some hacks and many functions (not too many..) are disabled.
Pango and atk has been ported and the test work
i've passed glib modified sources to itix (MOS) that is working in merging modifications into main cvs. The problem is that gtk-mui wrapper use own made includes and so it must be changed.
Talking with Thomas Fieden we are arrived at results that we must try to setup a site where all developers can publis own ported libs. if someone want help is welcome.
See you monday..
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> As you point the words "co-ordinate the work" I recall that I noticed that there is no a very strong co-ordination in this project.
Yeah, you're not wrong there- I haven't had time to get in touch with people- but now we have the students helping on the project, it's something that has to be done! :)
> Oliver 'Oli', Andrea 'Afxgroup', Ilkka, Itix are working on it and also CaptainMooMoo and his students, and seems to me that the first group Oli, Afx, etc. is working in parallel with the second one, without any co-ordination.
Well, oli has been part of the AmiZilla project from early on, and is on the mailing list, so we know what he's doing. But I do need to get in contact with Andrea etc, especially as we may be trying to set up an X11 Server with compiled Linux GTK code etc libs (as a temporary measure).
> My personal opinion is that we need a joint Amiga/Amithlon/Aros/Classic/Pegasos/RCDrummondUAE/WinUAE site which should list ALL works-in-progress, who are the coordinators of the project
Yeah, I'm all for getting devs from all camps together, to try and avoid replicating efforts! From what I can see, UtilityBase seems to be a good neutral dev site for that sort of co-operation (please correct me if I'm wrong!).:)
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Gidday Andrea!
>i've ported glib, pango and atk for OS4. Thomas Frieden ha ported glib too and i'm working to merge all modifies into one.
Look that glib work with some hacks and many functions (not too many..) are disabled.
Yeah, there's a reasonable amount of OS dependant stuff in GLib. Having Pango, and ATK ported will be very handy too! :)
>i've passed glib modified sources to itix (MOS) that is working in merging modifications into main cvs. The problem is that gtk-mui wrapper use own made includes and so it must be changed.
Nice! I'll be interested in seeing how you ported the code! :)
> Talking with Thomas Fieden we are arrived at results that we must try to setup a site where all developers can publis own ported libs. if someone want help is welcome.
Excellent- I assume that'll be for all Amiga platforms? :)
> See you monday..
Look forward to talking with you!
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