Nice news...

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Is there any chance this should/would/can/will work on OS4?

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This is definitely a welcome development. NTFS is the preferred filesystem in XP, the default one in Vista, and rumor has it that one won't be able to format hard drives using FAT in Win7 for security reasons. That means that NTFS support today is as important as FAT support was back in the 90s. The guys behind this project should be congratulated.

We actually are talking about the same NTFS as Microsoft's NTFS ? So if I install it, I suppose I can read an NTFS formatted memorystick on my MorphOS machine.

Nice.

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Does this version support write as well as read ? The amiga ntfs driver from years ago only supports read, which while still useful, left me wanting.

@Swoop,
using td64patch the old version worked well on OS4, so
I think that this version work also on OS4

Great, this is welcome and hope to see it on os4

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Is there any chance this should/would/can/will work on OS4?

IIRC it needs libDeviceIO to support NSD64. A native build would be good. Really, the only difference is one bit in the command word. Makes me wonder why Ralph Schmidt thought it was a better way. Because it was a bit better?

I haven't tried the NTFS driver but I expect that this will work on OS4.

I regularly use the 68k ext2FileSystem to access my Linux partitions and it works really well. I needed to run TD64patch to get it to work on OS4.0 but OS4.1 seems to support the TD64 commands without needing to run that patch. It just works.

@dangerman

NTFS uses TD64.
AmigaOS3.5/OS3.9/OS4.0/OS4.1 uses NSD64.

Her is the tricky part, if NTFS does not find TD64 it use old 32bit read and write, the result is some that looks like it works but corrupted partitions as soon as you write some to disk.

Device command support is individual for etch device.
way NTFS does not support NSD64 is beyond me,
my only guess MorphOS developer does not wont to support NSD64.

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@Hypex

and why should one adopt NSD anyway? Because some guys decided it was the standard for Hack&Patch OS3.5, when something working already existed way before? :)

I always find it funny how some guys refer to TD64 as 3rd party hack, when NSD surely has nothing more official. :)


Also see http://babel.de/download/64bit.tar.bz2 (from http://babel.de/amiga.html ) for more information about the "official" solution. :)

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Like I said, OS4.0 will support TD64 commands if you run TD64patch.

And it appears to me that OS4.1 supports both NSD and TD64 commands - atleast that's what I've found using sii0680ide.device.

There is no excuse to not support it, because TD64 and NSD64 uses the same techniques, the only difference is command enum definitions, he just being lazy not supporting it.

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@pvanni

I used the old one via td64patch. My complaint is that it requires you to manually enter the start and end cylinder locations on the hard-drive instead of getting that from the partition table. This is a disaster waiting to happen, since forgetting to change both the partition table and the file system can result in the filesystem writing to other partitions.

I don't know if NSD64 doesn't have this problem, but I'd like to see this problem fixed.

Congrats to the authors, BTW.

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There is no excuse to not support it, because TD64 and NSD64 uses the same techniques, the only difference is command enum definitions, he just being lazy not supporting it.

I think the same about OS4, why doesn't it support TD64 when it could be dead easy to support both NSD64 and TD64?

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How about a native AmigaOS 4.x version?
I'm sure you'd get a few donations if you bothered.

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Device command support is individual for etch device. way NTFS does not support NSD64 is beyond me, my only guess MorphOS developer does not wont to support NSD64.

What goes beyond me is why they couldn't agree on a way to do this...

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Why NSD is broken as designed.

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Because some guys decided it was the standard for Hack&Patch OS3.5

NSD64 is almost identical to TD64, in fact is so easy to port from on to the other, its just a simple find and replace operation in your text editor, TD64 is a hack just like NSD64, that’s because io structure is not extended, look it up in header files if you will.

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Let’s say Hyperion adds TD64 to all devices in OS4.0 and OS4.1, this will not magically fix the problem whit old OS3.5 and OS3.9.
Its funny it’s says NTFS supports AmigaOS, but does not support even the last classic versions OS3.5 and OS3.9, is it not ironic?

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