@Samwel

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Was this comment meant for me?

No. If it was meant for you I'd have put your name on it.

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@Doobrey


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You mean this ? It's not a 'end user' product, it's a developer/reference board...think $$$$$$$ just like the Teron reference boards from MAI. Now relax before you get lockjaw.

You are missing the point. Some company could buy the design and take it to mass production. Since the design is already done, debugged (by a good comapny), and a protype exists, it would take less time. The mass production could bring the cost down.

Firbodi

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@Wiffy
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Please ignore the trolling. Try to keep on subject.

I will thats for sure.


Now how about getting that smile off your avatar face?

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@glokraw
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Helgis is just pushing your buttons! He probably will need rib surgery soon, from laughing at how fast he can get you to respond. He's surely got it down to time trials by now! He is -SO- devious...

rummor has it Helgis applied to test the Troika board out.

the answer came back that "they didn't want to see Amy tortured"

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@thread

Re-read IceDragon's post. It's worth repeating:
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yeah, well... we have a new board soon, that is a bit underspecced. Its cheaper, and does not use the Articia. When i read the forums before, in fact that WAS sth a lot of people cried for. Now we have one, and it would help in the terms of: price, compatibility, and availability - three major points that were always criticized here and elsewhere. What baffles me is that some people seem to think that they need a 2,5 - 3,2 Ghz board to run OS4. yea you would surely have something if only want to boast about stupid Ghz values with your friends. What software is there to use that power ? Very smart, really. Note that i can fully understand that quite a lot of people would like to have something more powerful than a G3 @ 800 Mhz. If a solution with a G4 considerably above 1 Ghz would come out, i might even be inclined to buy a second os4-ready board. But saying that without a G5 or a Cell OS4 is not worth the ride just lacks reality. I repeat, show me the current software that makes use of that kind of horsepower or even better NEEDS the speed to run fluid and then i would agree. We are not talking about Windows, nor do we have the software to need 2,5 Ghz to use the OS. People should take this board for what it is, a solution for a part of the problems related to A1. This is an improvement, and they never announced that they would deliver sth else - a low-end board that is cheaper then existing solutions and that will have a higher availability than those.

Did you read it?

Please read it again. It's pretty clear and concise.

Even if you do not buy one yourself, the benefit of having boards available as well as reliable and (I expect) lower priced than existing hardware...you will still see benefits as developers pick up boards.

Give them a chance..if they fail, then what have you personally lost, for those of you with so much seeming badwill because they didn't choose to go bankrupt making Atheist' dream machine for $3000 that almost no one would buy?

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RE: Toshiba reference board

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You are missing the point. Some company could buy the design and take it to mass production. Since the design is already done, debugged (by a good comapny), and a protype exists, it would take less time. The mass production could bring the cost down. Firbodi

Yes, a reference board, just like the Terons labelled as A1s. It may or may not be fully working or troubleshot at this time, nor is it even possible to buy Cell CPUs currently. I could tell you how many iterations even 'large companies with a clue in engineering' take to get a board right, but it would frighten you.

Can we leave it at:
1. There is no Cell design that can be purchased and actually _produced_ in the near future? (Sony and Toshiba have all of 'em AFAIK)
2. It's a bad idea to be the first on a new technology or board, it needs to be bulletproof as much as possible, and available, before this makes any sense whatsoever- let's see where things are in say, 6-12 months, IF Cell CPUs or workstations are even available at that time.
3. OS4 isn't done yet- do you really think porting to a non-available system is a great idea right now??!!

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rummor has it Helgis applied to test the Troika board out. the answer came back that "they didn't want to see Amy tortured"

(bah, I did too for that matter though )

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@Wegster

Good point, but the main point with me is just mainly price. Tentatively, the price seems
awful close to the mA1. I could care less about specs at this point, its price that will be
the determining factor. I think most of the "critics" will also get over the specs issue if the
price is reasonable, which the mA1 is certainly not.

C Snyder

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victim wrote: What is Amiga Inc. thinking of all this?

Amiga was put on this Good Green Earth to confound us at every turn, we're all VICTIMs!!!!

400 pounds!

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Why not sell this board without a CPU? With a A1 compatible MEGArray socket..
This way users could buy Rose's G4 upgrade card when it arrives later this year.

The board would become much cheaper and we REALLY wouldn't miss the
750FX chip that much..

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Crumb wrote:

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400 pounds!

181 Kg! Couldn't they have made it a bit lighter?

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@Crumb

Isn't 400£ the "if everything goes as bad as possible" price?
i.e. max prices on every component and manufacturing.

I would expect a much MUCH lower price. Probably around 250-300£.
Then another 150-180¤ for 512MB memory and a copy of OS4.

Making it below 400£ with memory and OS4, hopefully.

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@bigsnyder

Keep in mind that µA1-C also offers, CPU socket, onboard 256MB memory module,
and onboard Radeon 7000 graphics and a hell of lot lower performance..
Or should have lower performance IMO. I can't really tell as no boards exist.

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1. There is no Cell design that can be purchased and actually _produced_ in the near future? (Sony and Toshiba have all of 'em AFAIK) 2. It's a bad idea to be the first on a new technology or board, it needs to be bulletproof as much as possible, and available, before this makes any sense whatsoever- let's see where things are in say, 6-12 months, IF Cell CPUs or workstations are even available at that time.

You should be able to get Cell workstations within a few months, you can get them now but they're $25,000...

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3. OS4 isn't done yet- do you really think porting to a non-available system is a great idea right now??!!

There's a simulator due before the end of the year.

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It's likely to be quite some time before anything even close to affordable becomes available (apart from the PS3). Probably closer to 12 months.

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