@Krashan

The last part of my post wasn't directed specifically to you it was a general one to all of us. I dream of an (Amiga)world where we would peacefully live together close to each other talking about our hobby with passion but without hate nor disrespect.

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Well it seems that Obligement found a good way to stir up controversy and "sell" magazines! Journalists are evil, burn them all!



I'll tell you what's important to me. AmigaOS4.1 is faster on my A1 (800Mhz) than Debian is on my p3 (1.13GHz) server, except for a few brute force non gui applications like rendering where the server is slightly ahead. I'm suffering from severe Linux induced computer stress at the moment, because my A1 is all but dead. So silly infighting between people who have working Amiga Like OS systems is just irritating to read. So why did I read it? Horrific fascination I guess....

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On the other hand file copying with DOS command 'copy' (large, single 200 MB file, HDD -> the same HDD) is 16 MB/s on MorphOS and 12 MB/s on AmigaOS 4.

Hmm, I actually got different results on my machine, but I don't remember exact figures now. I was testing copying of files from one SFS partition to another SFS partition (since SFS works on both OS4 and MOS natively and I don't have any FFS partitions anyway). I also get significantly higher raw speed than you.

@PAB

No, it isn't Beta. Only AmigaOS 4.1 for SAM is beta.

http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2009-01-00095-DE.html

blablabla
Grow up

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The real dilema is that we don't have modern and unique hardware, MorphOs or AmigaOs. All that crap things about Os team are just useless and misplaced. We have 2 great Os, respect them.

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Poster: Krashan Date: 11-Aug-2009 13:01:04 So why is everything so slow on OS4 then..? Because MorphOS has better programmers.

@Krashan

This post generated an abuse report. You have a right to your opinion so I am clearing this report.

*But*, please consider that your statement as written could very easily be construed as a purposeful insult. And I am quite sure thats why it got reported, because that would be a TOS issue. So please, feel free to state your opinions, but give some consideration as to how you convey them. And if your intention was to purposely insult just realize continuing on such a path is not going to be allowed.

Thank you.

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So why is everything so slow on OS4 then..?

It's all the lost hair in the OS4 developers keyboard's blocking input.

I know, how that is.

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Call me stupid, but it seems the most obvious answer is that the Peg2 port of OS4 was rushed (it was a big surprise to everyone after all), and presumably some of the HAL (drivers/etc) are not really optimised for the Peg2 yet, especially disk access going by the benchmarks. MOS has been running on Peg2 for *years* so it is hardly surprising that it runs well on that h/w!

Yes probably this is the best explanation, anyway this didn't excuse Hyperion for a non-optimized port.

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Yes probably this is the best explanation, anyway this didn't excuse Hyperion for a non-optimized port.

That, and the fact they sell it in full price! At least they could tell it is in beta stage, it would be fair to know that.

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Because MorphOS has better programmers. @Krashan This post generated an abuse report. You have a right to your opinion so I am clearing this report.

Please, one question; why it is an insult calling that group A have better programmers than group B?

I work as programmer and wouldn't be insulted if someone would tell me; hey, that guy makes faster code!
Most likely my answer would be; let's see his code and find new optimization tricks! And steal some code too

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@Srbin

Most likely it's not WHAT was said but HOW it was said.

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@Ikir

That' s true and i hope hyperion will optimize amiga os for sam and peg2.. we need good video driver 2D/3D and USB 2.0..

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I hope both parties will optimize their operating systems further, no matter if it's faster or slower than the other.

Now how's that?

I found the thread "interesting"

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Why not try and port final version of MUI, etc..? Is it so hard to cooperate?

does MUI need to be ported? Thought I read that Os4 has ver 3.9. Morph has what 4.0? New features or a faster version?

Is there a difference between Morph ver. 1.4.5 MUI and Ver 2.0?

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@Interesting

morphos has 3.9 version in 2001 and it is constantly developed since then. (skins, new api, new methods/attributes, new list).

for example:
this is my program (SCANdal) on morphos:
http://brain.umcs.lublin.pl/~rzookol/pics/muiscan8.png

this is AROS version on ZUNE:
http://brain.umcs.lublin.pl/~rzookol/pics/scandal_aros.png

You can download OS4 version (done by Shinkuro) from
http://os4depot.net/share/driver/utility/scandal.lha
and test Yourself.

MUI 3.9 from AmigaOs4 and MUI 3.8 from 68k are years behind MUI4 from morphos

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@rzookol

Sorry but those screenshots aren't impressing.. At all!
No contrast, soft, bad color choices and generally confusing and hard to read.
Looks like show off screens rather than useful.

Yes I know this has nothing to do with MUI itself.. But if MOS 2.x
looks anything like this default then too bad I say.

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@Interresting:
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New features or a faster version?

Both? For example, it has a very advanced list class, and even more advanced skinning capabilities (bitmap frames, alpha-transparency capable everywhere), includes an ASL requester replacement, with thumbnails and other goodies for unified system look & feel, and much more. Also significant parts of the API got obsoleted (still supported for compatibility, of course), and new API got in, to be a more convenient/modern toolkit for programmers. And it also takes more advantage of new MorphOS features where possible, hence it's faster than before. At least it should be.

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Is there a difference between Morph ver. 1.4.5 MUI and Ver 2.0?

There is, see above. 1.4.x had 3.9 MUI just like OS4, in the first place (but had some features the OS4 version didn't, like various advanced skinning facilities). And there were "unofficial" betas of MUI4 for 1.4.5. And there are tons of stuff which already uses MUI4 features under MorphOS, since years. For example, Ambient. And then there was Sputnik, or recently OWB. These only run on 1.4.5 with the unofficial MUI4 betas. But other smaller apps also use various new things.

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@Samwel

de gustibus non est disputandum

ps. transparency for frames can be changed from 0-100% and text in titles has glow effect so it could be hard to read :)

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if MOS 2.x looks anything like this default then too bad I say.

Yes, it's the default look (with minor tweaks maybe). If you like it or not, well, matter of taste, but if you don't like it, there are a few other predefined MUI and Intuition skins included to choose from (with a few easy clicks).

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